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In reality it is the unvaccinated that hold us back from living freely like before.

by legulere 5y ago

0des 5y ago
Interesting take, can you expand on what you mean by that?
- t-sauer 5y ago
  Because unvaccinated people cause hospitals to be overcrowded.
  - 0des 5y ago
    Does this also extend to the willfully obese? Smokers? Chronic drug abusers, alcoholics, etc? It is my impression these are compounding factors listed as comorbidities to Covid, however we don't seem to focus on these segments of the population much, perhaps because of our own personal biases as most humans in this age fall into one or more of those categories.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      What do comorbidity have to do with this? It's a total strawman in the context of the situation, considering that those people can also get vaccinated and hopefully not waste their time and our doctor's time by occupying a hospital bed.
      - VoodooJuJu 5y ago
        Comorbidity has quite a lot do with cause of hospitalization. One study [1] observed that 94.9% of people hospitalized for severe COVID-19 had at least one underlying medical condition. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm
- legulere 5y ago
  The risks from corona for vaccinated people are negligible. Without unvaccinated people a the measures that are still in effect could be removed.
  - an03n 5y ago
    If the risks from corona for vaccinated people are negligible then stop the lockdowns. If you are vaccinated there's no risk to you right?
nvelty 5y ago
In much of red America folks are already living freely like before. Most of the major impacts like job walk-outs and shortages are directly resulting from more heavy-handed covid measures imposed in other states or by the federal government.
AndrewUnmuted 5y ago
Come and try to vaccinate me. Just try it. If that is the condition for "living freely," then it's not living freely. In my state, I can respond with deadly force if anyone tries to innoculate me against my will for any reason. That is exactly what I will do if anyone tries to vaccinate me in the name of "living freely like before:" I'll fucking kill them.
- ignasl 5y ago
  No one will come for you. They will simply cut you off - won't provide healthcare, won't allow you into the stores to buy food, force your employer to fire you so you have no income. But it's not force - you can choose. Same way like people actually have all the freedoms in North Korea - they can be critical of supreme leader if they want to they just need to choose to do it.
- archagon 5y ago
  And then you’ll spend the rest of your life in some dank cell. Worth it?
- charbonneau2 5y ago
  No worries, we will not vaccinate you against your will. There will be no mandate. A negative rapid antigen test result is deemed equivalent to a proof of vaccination. * Of course, the test must be carried out by a service provider pursuant to section 123 (4) of the "Ordinance on SARS-CoV-2 Testing". Due to a decreasing need in testing, there will be of course less and less service providers in your area. * Of course, the test result must pertain to a test taken no earlier than 24 hours. Please arrange enough time (the result is usually available within 15 to 60 minutes) before or after work to obtain your test result (business hours: 8am - 5:30pm). * Of course, since free vaccinations are now available to all, it is no longer acceptable for taxpayers to bear the costs of the tests on a permanent basis. An antigen test costs about 15 to 30 dollars on average. A decreasing need in testing might of course lead to higher costs in the future. It is your choice.
furi 5y ago
In Ireland 92% of adults are vaccinated and 75% of the population overall. The "low" vaccination rate among children has more to do with the delays in approving the vaccines than any kind of resistance. I have been told this is among the best vaccination rates in Europe. Despite this the government has just pushed back the return to normality yet again. They drafted a "vaccinate our way out" plan that would almost certainly fail because it allegedly requires some fraction of the populace in excess of 92% to comply. When it failed, they accused that fraction of spoiling their plans. And then, rather than accepting their failure and moving on, they began punishing the entire populace for it for an indeterminate amount of time. Perhaps in other countries with higher rates of vaccine hesitancy the story is different. But in my mind, the responsibility here lies with those who made getting our lives back contingent on an outcome that was never realistically going to occur.
an9n 5y ago
"The sooner we give up our freedoms, the sooner we get them back!"
- an03n 5y ago
  "It's for you safety"

In reality it is the unvaccinated that hold us back from living freely like before.

0des 5y ago

Interesting take, can you expand on what you mean by that?

t-sauer 5y ago
Because unvaccinated people cause hospitals to be overcrowded.
- 0des 5y ago
  Does this also extend to the willfully obese? Smokers? Chronic drug abusers, alcoholics, etc? It is my impression these are compounding factors listed as comorbidities to Covid, however we don't seem to focus on these segments of the population much, perhaps because of our own personal biases as most humans in this age fall into one or more of those categories.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    What do comorbidity have to do with this? It's a total strawman in the context of the situation, considering that those people can also get vaccinated and hopefully not waste their time and our doctor's time by occupying a hospital bed.
    - VoodooJuJu 5y ago
      Comorbidity has quite a lot do with cause of hospitalization. One study [1] observed that 94.9% of people hospitalized for severe COVID-19 had at least one underlying medical condition. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm
legulere 5y ago
The risks from corona for vaccinated people are negligible. Without unvaccinated people a the measures that are still in effect could be removed.
- an03n 5y ago
  If the risks from corona for vaccinated people are negligible then stop the lockdowns. If you are vaccinated there's no risk to you right?

nvelty 5y ago

In much of red America folks are already living freely like before. Most of the major impacts like job walk-outs and shortages are directly resulting from more heavy-handed covid measures imposed in other states or by the federal government.

AndrewUnmuted 5y ago

Come and try to vaccinate me. Just try it. If that is the condition for "living freely," then it's not living freely. In my state, I can respond with deadly force if anyone tries to innoculate me against my will for any reason. That is exactly what I will do if anyone tries to vaccinate me in the name of "living freely like before:" I'll fucking kill them.

ignasl 5y ago
No one will come for you. They will simply cut you off - won't provide healthcare, won't allow you into the stores to buy food, force your employer to fire you so you have no income. But it's not force - you can choose. Same way like people actually have all the freedoms in North Korea - they can be critical of supreme leader if they want to they just need to choose to do it.
archagon 5y ago
And then you’ll spend the rest of your life in some dank cell. Worth it?
charbonneau2 5y ago
No worries, we will not vaccinate you against your will. There will be no mandate. A negative rapid antigen test result is deemed equivalent to a proof of vaccination. * Of course, the test must be carried out by a service provider pursuant to section 123 (4) of the "Ordinance on SARS-CoV-2 Testing". Due to a decreasing need in testing, there will be of course less and less service providers in your area. * Of course, the test result must pertain to a test taken no earlier than 24 hours. Please arrange enough time (the result is usually available within 15 to 60 minutes) before or after work to obtain your test result (business hours: 8am - 5:30pm). * Of course, since free vaccinations are now available to all, it is no longer acceptable for taxpayers to bear the costs of the tests on a permanent basis. An antigen test costs about 15 to 30 dollars on average. A decreasing need in testing might of course lead to higher costs in the future. It is your choice.

furi 5y ago

In Ireland 92% of adults are vaccinated and 75% of the population overall. The "low" vaccination rate among children has more to do with the delays in approving the vaccines than any kind of resistance. I have been told this is among the best vaccination rates in Europe. Despite this the government has just pushed back the return to normality yet again. They drafted a "vaccinate our way out" plan that would almost certainly fail because it allegedly requires some fraction of the populace in excess of 92% to comply. When it failed, they accused that fraction of spoiling their plans. And then, rather than accepting their failure and moving on, they began punishing the entire populace for it for an indeterminate amount of time. Perhaps in other countries with higher rates of vaccine hesitancy the story is different. But in my mind, the responsibility here lies with those who made getting our lives back contingent on an outcome that was never realistically going to occur.

an9n 5y ago

"The sooner we give up our freedoms, the sooner we get them back!"

an03n 5y ago
"It's for you safety"