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I've been online since 1995. I haven't seen an FTP link for a looong time.

torstenvl 5y ago
And so... Firefox should cater to your use case and drop support for others'? Is that really what you're arguing? It's none of my business what parts of the web you frequent. But I'm only a hobbyist and I see FTP links all the time. Most recently while looking for older character set information for a homegrown libiconv-type project. Firefox 90 removed functionality that has been a part of the standard experience for a quarter-century and is still in widespread use. It is a bug.
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  > And so... Firefox should cater to your use case and drop support for others'? Is that really what you're arguing? I can ask you the opposite question... I do mostly think it's sad that they're dropping FTP support, but if it's expensive for them to maintain it for the little percentage of users (I'm guessing, maybe this is an incorrect approximation) who use it... Btw I'm just telling you my experience, please don't be rude, it's hard to find allies that way.
  - torstenvl 5y ago
    I'm sorry if I came across as rude. It was not my intent. Can you help me understand what specifically came across that way? I would appreciate it very much. I would agree it's probably a small percentage of users who use it, but I don't think that's a good reason to drop support. If software only kept features used by a substantial number of users, SharePoint wouldn't allow exporting lists to Access databases, Excel wouldn't allow pivot tables, and so on. I think there's a cliché about how 80% of Word users only use 20% of its features... but it's a different 20% for everyone. As a result, adopting such a principle would lead to truly disheartening results. Will Firefox perhaps completely drop support for PIV tokens next? I am not familiar with Firefox's architecture, I've only compiled it from source 2-3 times and only one of those times was setting up my own build environment (as opposed to a compiling package system). I've never hacked on it to any degree beyond the most trivial. So I could very well be wrong... but... I suspect it has not been very expensive to maintain, given that the protocol is simple and I believe has not changed in many years.
    - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
      > And so... Firefox should cater to your use case and drop support for others'? Is that really what you're arguing? The last sentence reads to me like "Are you for freaking real right now?!", incredulity mixed with anger.

And so... Firefox should cater to your use case and drop support for others'? Is that really what you're arguing? It's none of my business what parts of the web you frequent. But I'm only a hobbyist and I see FTP links all the time. Most recently while looking for older character set information for a homegrown libiconv-type project. Firefox 90 removed functionality that has been a part of the standard experience for a quarter-century and is still in widespread use. It is a bug.

bellyfullofbac 5y ago
> And so... Firefox should cater to your use case and drop support for others'? Is that really what you're arguing? I can ask you the opposite question... I do mostly think it's sad that they're dropping FTP support, but if it's expensive for them to maintain it for the little percentage of users (I'm guessing, maybe this is an incorrect approximation) who use it... Btw I'm just telling you my experience, please don't be rude, it's hard to find allies that way.
- torstenvl 5y ago
  I'm sorry if I came across as rude. It was not my intent. Can you help me understand what specifically came across that way? I would appreciate it very much. I would agree it's probably a small percentage of users who use it, but I don't think that's a good reason to drop support. If software only kept features used by a substantial number of users, SharePoint wouldn't allow exporting lists to Access databases, Excel wouldn't allow pivot tables, and so on. I think there's a cliché about how 80% of Word users only use 20% of its features... but it's a different 20% for everyone. As a result, adopting such a principle would lead to truly disheartening results. Will Firefox perhaps completely drop support for PIV tokens next? I am not familiar with Firefox's architecture, I've only compiled it from source 2-3 times and only one of those times was setting up my own build environment (as opposed to a compiling package system). I've never hacked on it to any degree beyond the most trivial. So I could very well be wrong... but... I suspect it has not been very expensive to maintain, given that the protocol is simple and I believe has not changed in many years.
  - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
    > And so... Firefox should cater to your use case and drop support for others'? Is that really what you're arguing? The last sentence reads to me like "Are you for freaking real right now?!", incredulity mixed with anger.