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Well, look at me. I’m an immigrant. My wife’s useful skills would probably give her salary of about 5th of what we need, so she doesn’t work and takes care of t

by p2t2p 5y ago

Well, look at me. I’m an immigrant. My wife’s useful skills would probably give her salary of about 5th of what we need, so she doesn’t work and takes care of the kid, house and engages in her hobbies, like making custom teddy bears. If I were put on a project like that I can easily imagine being quiet about it as I put well being of my family waaaay above any ethics. I can imagine that a lot of people do. So the only real way to solve it is robust regulation and good channels for whistleblowers.

awild 5y ago
> So the only real way to solve it is robust regulation and good channels for whistleblowers. And probably some sort of minimal unconditional financial security denying corporations to practically take people hostage.
- MandieD 5y ago
  Decoupling health insurance contracts from employment is absolutely necessary, though not sufficient. Do it like the UK, do it like Germany, or do something else, but as long as the health insurance contract itself (not just the payment of some or all of it) is through one’s employer, a lot of otherwise financially stable people in the US are utterly at their employers’ mercy.
  - chalst 5y ago
    > HUDSON: This was the one thing that Alan Greenspan contributed to economic theory: the Traumatized Worker Syndrome. He said, the reason you’ve had this huge productivity gain without any wage increase is workers are afraid to go on strike, or even to complain about working conditions, because they’re just one paycheck away from homelessness. https://michael-hudson.com/2016/03/traumatized-worker-syndrome/ https://michael-hudson.com/2016/03/traumatized-worker-syndro...
bagacrap 5y ago
above any ethics? You'd kill someone to support your family? Surely not. So there's somewhere you draw the line, you just don't think what Google's doing is that bad.
- p2t2p 5y ago
  Define "kill". Is coding drones that do military strikes considered killing?
- nemothekid 5y ago
  >You'd kill someone to support your family? Surely not. I mean, this is America we are talking about. There are thousands if not millions of people who have done the calculus and decided to build systems that kill people overseas everyday

by p2t2p 5y ago

awild 5y ago

> So the only real way to solve it is robust regulation and good channels for whistleblowers. And probably some sort of minimal unconditional financial security denying corporations to practically take people hostage.

MandieD 5y ago
Decoupling health insurance contracts from employment is absolutely necessary, though not sufficient. Do it like the UK, do it like Germany, or do something else, but as long as the health insurance contract itself (not just the payment of some or all of it) is through one’s employer, a lot of otherwise financially stable people in the US are utterly at their employers’ mercy.
- chalst 5y ago
  > HUDSON: This was the one thing that Alan Greenspan contributed to economic theory: the Traumatized Worker Syndrome. He said, the reason you’ve had this huge productivity gain without any wage increase is workers are afraid to go on strike, or even to complain about working conditions, because they’re just one paycheck away from homelessness. https://michael-hudson.com/2016/03/traumatized-worker-syndrome/ https://michael-hudson.com/2016/03/traumatized-worker-syndro...

bagacrap 5y ago

above any ethics? You'd kill someone to support your family? Surely not. So there's somewhere you draw the line, you just don't think what Google's doing is that bad.

p2t2p 5y ago
Define "kill". Is coding drones that do military strikes considered killing?
nemothekid 5y ago
>You'd kill someone to support your family? Surely not. I mean, this is America we are talking about. There are thousands if not millions of people who have done the calculus and decided to build systems that kill people overseas everyday