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Yes, why would should we expect less of people because of choices they made external to the workplace? If someone volunteers at a homeless shelter, should they

Yes, why would should we expect less of people because of choices they made external to the workplace? If someone volunteers at a homeless shelter, should they get slack analogous to parents because they're doing something beneficial to society outside of work? If someone is single, but contributes to lots of valuable open source projects, should they get the same benefit as parents? There are plenty of things that people do outside of the workplace that benefit society. Furthermore childless people still pay taxes to fund public schools and other services for the young, they're already contributing towards other people's child rearing. Also, think of this from the employer's perspective: if parent's output is smaller than childless people it's in their incentive to hire childless people over people with families.

nautilius 5y ago
I’ll repeat it for you: Alternatively, you can vow to never take any service/product/support/technology from anyone of a younger generation. Everything else is freeloading.
- Manuel_D 5y ago
  If a childless person buys a coffee from a teenage barista they're freeloading how? They're not taking a service, they're paying for it with money. Childless people already subsidize parents by paying taxes to public education and other children's services that they will never make use of. By your logic, parents should stop freeloading off the taxes of childless people and shoulder the entire burden of these services.
  - nautilius 5y ago
    It’s freeloading because you are relying on someone else putting in the work and money to raise that person. That’s an externality you just take for granted - it works because the social norm so far was that everyone contributes to the social contract ‘survival of the species’. If that contract vanishes, it’s time to introduce payment to the producers of the working force that you then can hire - parents. What you do now is to say ‘I pay the cab driver, and of course I expect someone else to provide the car free of charge so that I can take advantage of it. I assume it just falls from the sky’. I don’t know where you get the impression that it’s for the fun of parents that kids get an education. Maybe it didn’t occur to you, but parents pay taxes, as do their children.
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nautilius 5y ago

I’ll repeat it for you: Alternatively, you can vow to never take any service/product/support/technology from anyone of a younger generation. Everything else is freeloading.

Manuel_D 5y ago
If a childless person buys a coffee from a teenage barista they're freeloading how? They're not taking a service, they're paying for it with money. Childless people already subsidize parents by paying taxes to public education and other children's services that they will never make use of. By your logic, parents should stop freeloading off the taxes of childless people and shoulder the entire burden of these services.
- nautilius 5y ago
  It’s freeloading because you are relying on someone else putting in the work and money to raise that person. That’s an externality you just take for granted - it works because the social norm so far was that everyone contributes to the social contract ‘survival of the species’. If that contract vanishes, it’s time to introduce payment to the producers of the working force that you then can hire - parents. What you do now is to say ‘I pay the cab driver, and of course I expect someone else to provide the car free of charge so that I can take advantage of it. I assume it just falls from the sky’. I don’t know where you get the impression that it’s for the fun of parents that kids get an education. Maybe it didn’t occur to you, but parents pay taxes, as do their children.
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