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It really depends on what exactly you're talking about. If you want to be unavailable for an hour every day during the standard "work day", that goes well beyon

by creato 5y ago

It really depends on what exactly you're talking about. If you want to be unavailable for an hour every day during the standard "work day", that goes well beyond reasonable protectiveness of work-life balance in my opinion.

dudeman13 5y ago
I'm a programmer working from home. My manager does not give a shit if I'm randomly unavailable for an hour every day.
- wang_li 5y ago
  They give a shit if you expect full pay for 7/8th of the work. And they give a shit if you only do 7/8ths as much as before you had a kid.
  - dleslie 5y ago
    o.O If you're delivering on schedule and performing comparable to expectations then it shouldn't matter what hours you work.
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makeitdouble 5y ago
If you’re explicit about it and your manager accepts it, that becomes part of the deal. Just as other people will take 2 hour lunch breaks every day to exercice or leave early for months to go find a new home etc. To your point, these arrangements usually go both ways, and are compensated for instance by starting earlier or bringing some work home. But it’s far from being limited to parents.
- torstenvl 5y ago
  > If you’re explicit about it and your manager accepts it, that becomes part of the deal. I'm confused. What authority do you have to say that something has become part of a social contract involving your coworkers when those same coworkers had no input on the process?
  - barry-cotter 5y ago
    That's how social contracts work. They're not explicitly negotiated formal agreements done by equals. They're the outcome of never ending negotiations that happen not daily or hourly but on a minute by minute basis. If you don't like the social contract of your workplace you quit and find a new one. If you don't like it but you have no good BATNA you grin and deal with the shit. A social contract is an accomodation with power.
  - makeitdouble 5y ago
    Your manager’s authority. By definition they get to say what is part of the contract, on behalf of your coworkers. They can still complain after the fact, but will need to convince your manager(s) to reverse the decision. If your manager doesn’t have that authority you need to deal with HR or whoever had it, but by definition there will be someone holding that role in your company. Of course consulting coworkers on important arrangements makes thing go smoother, but it’s only consulting, the chain of authority doesn’t disappear.
redisman 5y ago
Maybe if you’re manning a conveyor belt. I couldn’t care less when my coworkers get their work done and think it’s completely reasonable if someone wants to shift some hours around if it makes their life easier/more enjoyable

by creato 5y ago

dudeman13 5y ago

I'm a programmer working from home. My manager does not give a shit if I'm randomly unavailable for an hour every day.

wang_li 5y ago
They give a shit if you expect full pay for 7/8th of the work. And they give a shit if you only do 7/8ths as much as before you had a kid.
- dleslie 5y ago
  o.O If you're delivering on schedule and performing comparable to expectations then it shouldn't matter what hours you work.

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makeitdouble 5y ago

If you’re explicit about it and your manager accepts it, that becomes part of the deal. Just as other people will take 2 hour lunch breaks every day to exercice or leave early for months to go find a new home etc. To your point, these arrangements usually go both ways, and are compensated for instance by starting earlier or bringing some work home. But it’s far from being limited to parents.

torstenvl 5y ago
> If you’re explicit about it and your manager accepts it, that becomes part of the deal. I'm confused. What authority do you have to say that something has become part of a social contract involving your coworkers when those same coworkers had no input on the process?
- barry-cotter 5y ago
  That's how social contracts work. They're not explicitly negotiated formal agreements done by equals. They're the outcome of never ending negotiations that happen not daily or hourly but on a minute by minute basis. If you don't like the social contract of your workplace you quit and find a new one. If you don't like it but you have no good BATNA you grin and deal with the shit. A social contract is an accomodation with power.
- makeitdouble 5y ago
  Your manager’s authority. By definition they get to say what is part of the contract, on behalf of your coworkers. They can still complain after the fact, but will need to convince your manager(s) to reverse the decision. If your manager doesn’t have that authority you need to deal with HR or whoever had it, but by definition there will be someone holding that role in your company. Of course consulting coworkers on important arrangements makes thing go smoother, but it’s only consulting, the chain of authority doesn’t disappear.

redisman 5y ago

Maybe if you’re manning a conveyor belt. I couldn’t care less when my coworkers get their work done and think it’s completely reasonable if someone wants to shift some hours around if it makes their life easier/more enjoyable