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Because remote employees are a danger to other employees. And unvaccinated people are a danger to the vaccinated.

dwaltrip 5y ago
In a feee society, it is healthy to question new restrictions. However, the majority of society has decided the vaccines are a very safe and valuable tool to help end the second worst global pandemic in the past 100 years [1]. If you disagree, you need to try to convince us why we are wrong. So far, I personally have found arguments against the vaccine and incentives to get it to be uncompelling and often deeply flawed. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
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- captainredbeard 5y ago
  Society writ large does not have command over personal medical decisions.
  - amanaplanacanal 5y ago
    Did you mean to say “should not”?
    - jerkstate 5y ago
      no
- jprd 5y ago
  If they want to keep _any_ US government business, everyone in the US needs to be vaccinated.
- mythrwy 5y ago
  You are making a really big assumption. Maybe the majority doesn't decide what the minority puts in their body. Particularly when the net effect (in this context) on the safety of others is far from quantified. Or certain.
  - brianwawok 5y ago
    You aren't sending these people to death camps, you are telling them they can go work somewhere else. Free market, rah rah rah. Seems fair? Any longterm consequences are unknown at this point, so far none have been found. But short term consequences of employees dying, spending more time sick, or getting others sick are 100% known and proven.
    - mythrwy 5y ago
      https://asiatimes.com/2021/10/highly-vaccinated-singapore-sets-a-worrying-example/ https://asiatimes.com/2021/10/highly-vaccinated-singapore-se... Does vaccination (in this case) make it so others around you don't get sick? No. These things are a risky venture and don't appear to have much long term benefit other then bringing money in to drug companies. If people are "at risk" or otherwise want to take their chances fine. But "mandating" it for others, yes, including loss of job is criminal. This isn't polio.
- thoughtstheseus 5y ago
  None of the pandemics you cited had mandated vaccines. Vaccines are great, vaccine mandates, for a low risk illness with widespread vaccines and highly effective post-infection mitigation strategies, is simply not preferred by some people.
- redis_mlc 5y ago
  So many logical fallacies ... > the majority of society has decided the vaccines are a very safe "the majority of society" aren't doctors. Also, over 60,000 epidemiologists disagree with both Fauci and forced vaccinations as a public health policy. > If you disagree, you need to try to convince us why we are wrong. No, actually I don't have to do anything. > I personally have found arguments against the vaccine and incentives to get it to be uncompelling and often deeply flawed. mRNA vaccines were just FDA-approved this summer and have no long-term record to declare them safe, and mRNA appears to alter cells, unlike older vaccines. Acquired immunity from prior infections is stronger than the vaccines, yet there's no exemption for that. (For those unaware of genetics, DNA <=> RNA, mRNA. So what the hell is being injected into billions of people?)
guilhas 5y ago
Unless they install an anti-virus

In a feee society, it is healthy to question new restrictions. However, the majority of society has decided the vaccines are a very safe and valuable tool to help end the second worst global pandemic in the past 100 years [1]. If you disagree, you need to try to convince us why we are wrong. So far, I personally have found arguments against the vaccine and incentives to get it to be uncompelling and often deeply flawed. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics

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captainredbeard 5y ago
Society writ large does not have command over personal medical decisions.
- amanaplanacanal 5y ago
  Did you mean to say “should not”?
  - jerkstate 5y ago
    no
jprd 5y ago
If they want to keep _any_ US government business, everyone in the US needs to be vaccinated.
mythrwy 5y ago
You are making a really big assumption. Maybe the majority doesn't decide what the minority puts in their body. Particularly when the net effect (in this context) on the safety of others is far from quantified. Or certain.
- brianwawok 5y ago
  You aren't sending these people to death camps, you are telling them they can go work somewhere else. Free market, rah rah rah. Seems fair? Any longterm consequences are unknown at this point, so far none have been found. But short term consequences of employees dying, spending more time sick, or getting others sick are 100% known and proven.
  - mythrwy 5y ago
    https://asiatimes.com/2021/10/highly-vaccinated-singapore-sets-a-worrying-example/ https://asiatimes.com/2021/10/highly-vaccinated-singapore-se... Does vaccination (in this case) make it so others around you don't get sick? No. These things are a risky venture and don't appear to have much long term benefit other then bringing money in to drug companies. If people are "at risk" or otherwise want to take their chances fine. But "mandating" it for others, yes, including loss of job is criminal. This isn't polio.
thoughtstheseus 5y ago
None of the pandemics you cited had mandated vaccines. Vaccines are great, vaccine mandates, for a low risk illness with widespread vaccines and highly effective post-infection mitigation strategies, is simply not preferred by some people.
redis_mlc 5y ago
So many logical fallacies ... > the majority of society has decided the vaccines are a very safe "the majority of society" aren't doctors. Also, over 60,000 epidemiologists disagree with both Fauci and forced vaccinations as a public health policy. > If you disagree, you need to try to convince us why we are wrong. No, actually I don't have to do anything. > I personally have found arguments against the vaccine and incentives to get it to be uncompelling and often deeply flawed. mRNA vaccines were just FDA-approved this summer and have no long-term record to declare them safe, and mRNA appears to alter cells, unlike older vaccines. Acquired immunity from prior infections is stronger than the vaccines, yet there's no exemption for that. (For those unaware of genetics, DNA <=> RNA, mRNA. So what the hell is being injected into billions of people?)

guilhas 5y ago

Unless they install an anti-virus