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>"Evidence of something" means "I can prove something with this data and I'm 100% sure about that this happened". I see. A lot of people are comfortable with t
by perl4ever 5y ago
>"Evidence of something" means "I can prove something with this data and I'm 100% sure about that this happened".
I see. A lot of people are comfortable with the idea that knowledge is always incomplete, and satisfied when they can get reasonably narrow error bars.
I am not criticizing your way of looking at things directly, but I think it is a fact that normal science is done under a paradigm of less than absolute certainty.
When there was an uncertainty of hundreds of years, and someone has an analysis that produces a very high probability of one specific year, then I think that is considered a meaningful accomplishment, and about as precise as can be expected.
>I'm not saying that vikings weren't in America in 2021. I'm saying that when you scratch a little the article does not prove that.
It sounds like you are saying that Vikings might not have been in America before Columbus. This does sound like you are going beyond rejecting this article, and rejects a major premise of the research in it.
I don't believe this article was intended to establish that Europeans were there, only to narrow down the timeframe.
If this article was completely wrong in their analysis, I don't think it would indicate to other scientists that there were no Europeans in the area before Columbus. Just that the uncertainty about when it was remains relatively large.
- pvaldes 5y ago> It sounds like you are saying that Vikings might not have been in America before Columbus. Please don't use the straw man fallacy with me. Is very obvious that this is not what I'm saying.
- perl4ever 5y agoPlease don't tell me what is obvious to me. Instead, assume good faith and clarify. You said "I'm not saying the Vikings weren't..." which means to me that you are saying they may have and they may not have. Both are logically equivalent. In turn, that means that you seem (to me) to be asserting it is the burden of this article in Nature to demonstrate they were. My point was, that's a premise not something they are establishing. I believe they were just narrowing down the date. Therefore if they in fact totally failed at their job, it should not affect the question you bring up. It does not seem relevant that they didn't prove it, if they didn't set out to and it is a generally accepted fact. Does that clarify? I make plenty of mistakes, but I also read as carefully as I can.
- pvaldes 5y agoOh, I see where could be the problem. I just realized that I wrote 2021 when I wanted to write (obviously) 1021. My bad.
- perl4ever 5y agoI interpreted it that way though, that was not the misunderstanding.