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Kind of a strawman argument, and a bit dramatic. The parent is discussing parents wanting to leave early and be given less work
by syspec 5y ago
Kind of a strawman argument, and a bit dramatic. The parent is discussing parents wanting to leave early and be given less work
- klyrs 5y agoFine. A strictly capitalist take on the situation: your inability to negotiate for desirable hours & wages is not the responsibility of anybody but yourself. Go work in a union if you want everybody to have the same contract.
- lugged 5y agoYou're really just doubling down on making the parents point huh.
- klyrs 5y agoSure, if you insist on reading past the part where I expect everybody to demand better for themselves and I'm dismayed when they don't.
- RNCTX 5y ago[flagged]
- klyrs 5y agoShe/her, millenial, and my employer is only entitled to the time that I consent to giving; literally fire* me if you don't like it. I don't demean union work, in fact, I prefer it; but I know that's unpopular here. * don't have the authority? Then fuck off, you're the entitled one for thinking you can dictate my hours! edit: also, I don't work in a widget factory. When I stop work on a task, work on that task stops. I measure my productivity in tasks completed, and it would take months to train somebody to do my work. If I don't get my work done on time, a larger project deadline slips. I work very hard to ensure that never happens.
- sidlls 5y agoNot to suggest it means anything, but one parent (very privileged Gen-X, male, white) to another: I sincerely admire your perspective and confidence. I really am disappointed in how so few of our peers (regardless of gender or generation) have either in this context.
- klyrs 5y agoAs you're well aware, our job isn't to be loved. Our job is to set a good example, and not cave when the going gets tough. I certainly don't need to be loved by petulant non-parents.
- RNCTX 5y ago> She/her, millenial say no more, lol
- rad_gruchalski 5y agoNo disagreement with your argument about being protective about one’s time. But in your case you haven’t negotiated anything. You just go when you have to.
- __blockcipher__ 5y agoI mean it’s an implicit negotiation of sorts. If you can routinely leave work early and not get penalized for it, you’ve basically “negotiated” that arrangement. This all comes back to the fact that everyone should be protective of their time. I’m single but regularly run errands, exercise, go grocery shopping etc in the “middle of the workday”. I get my work done. Nobody complains. It’s just a matter of knowing and recognizing your own value.
- klyrs 5y agoI literally negotiated for the flexibility of my working conditions. Had to renegotiate when the pandemic hit. Parents needing such negotiations may be a "hidden cost" that y'all aren't considering. Also, parenting is a ton of work so when I kick off the paid job, I'm still working 'til 9 most nights.
- rad_gruchalski 5y agoThat’s awesome, it was clear for everyone involved what your situation is so things can be planned around. Out of curiosity, was there ever any situation that your manager would reach out and ask for you to put additional time because of an urgent requirement / situation?
- klyrs 5y agoYeah, there was a recent slow-emergency situation, which did require more work than I typically budget for. In that case, I ended up working after I put the kid to bed. It was the result of a bad decision by management, they were quite apologetic and my team got some un-accounted-for time off afterwards. If this turned into a regular thing, I'd quit with or without another offer in hand.
- dleslie 5y agoIt's no more a straw man than the poster they were referring to; both describe their perspective of a described situation, from opposite sides. Neither is discussing "leaving early", both are discussing "leaving on time". If you choose to work unpaid extra hours then that's on you.