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Shouldn't news.ycombinator.com redirect to hackernews.com instead?

by mightytightywty 5y ago

judge2020 5y ago
Biggest problem with this would be broken password managers.
- leohonexus 5y ago
  Wouldn't be a problem if auth is still handled on ycombinator.com
  - floatingatoll 5y ago
    That introduces a problem where certain browsers ask the user to confirm the cross-domain interaction before proceeding (which I suppose mitigates various silent credentials theft and tracking problems) unless you do whole-page SSO, in which case you end up with cookie, anti-tracking, and container-routing problems.
    - sblom 5y ago
      What browser prompts for permission to follow a redirect? OAuth flows don't require cross-domain interaction in any of the ways that browsers have fought to reduce.
      - floatingatoll 5y ago
        Redirects are fine as long as no container-type things are in play (since those don't necessarily carry the origin's cookies across the boundary), it's embedded cross-domain auth forms in an iframe that can cause a dialog.
dang 5y ago
We'd need a compelling reason to do a major surgery like that. It's possible to imagine scenarios, so it's great to have the option, but I think it would be a mistake to exercise it just-because. I say that for at least two reasons: (1) users hate change; and (2) the feedback loops between HN and YC are vital to both, so it would be bad to weaken them.
- karlzt 5y ago
  Please don't change it, I like it as it is; 'ycombinator' is a cool word. ------------------- Explain me this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28055839 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28055839
- joecool1029 5y ago
  If I might suggest a major: (3) breaks SEO for potentially a very long time causing HN to fall out of search results to common queries on the major search engines. (I'm aware of site move tools and 301's, but we almost always see some decline on a domain switchover that takes time to recover)
  - jader201 5y ago
    Now that you mention it, I hardly ever see HN results on Google. Not that I would necessarily expect to — or maybe I’ve just learned to not expect them to. But there is quality content here that doesn’t seem to show up in search the way Reddit and Stackoverflow content often show up in search. Have dang/others looked into SEO? Or maybe it’s explicitly not a priority?
    - SturgeonsLaw 5y ago
      To what end? Accelerating towards Eternal September?
    - detaro 5y ago
      I've actually been surprised how quickly HN is indexed. When I see comments about a seemingly niche thing, I often google for more details - and often enough the comment that made me google it is among the top results.
    - sillysaurusx 5y ago
      Odd. I get HN results. You're right that it's not as frequent as SO or Reddit, but it seems to surpass the "hardly ever" threshold.
    - 8bitsrule 5y ago
clusterfish 5y ago
HN is an YC platform where YC companies and founders have special perks by design. It is nice to have it on ycombinator.com subdomain for clarity.

Shouldn't news.ycombinator.com redirect to hackernews.com instead?

judge2020 5y ago

Biggest problem with this would be broken password managers.

leohonexus 5y ago
Wouldn't be a problem if auth is still handled on ycombinator.com
- floatingatoll 5y ago
  That introduces a problem where certain browsers ask the user to confirm the cross-domain interaction before proceeding (which I suppose mitigates various silent credentials theft and tracking problems) unless you do whole-page SSO, in which case you end up with cookie, anti-tracking, and container-routing problems.
  - sblom 5y ago
    What browser prompts for permission to follow a redirect? OAuth flows don't require cross-domain interaction in any of the ways that browsers have fought to reduce.
    - floatingatoll 5y ago
      Redirects are fine as long as no container-type things are in play (since those don't necessarily carry the origin's cookies across the boundary), it's embedded cross-domain auth forms in an iframe that can cause a dialog.

dang 5y ago

We'd need a compelling reason to do a major surgery like that. It's possible to imagine scenarios, so it's great to have the option, but I think it would be a mistake to exercise it just-because. I say that for at least two reasons: (1) users hate change; and (2) the feedback loops between HN and YC are vital to both, so it would be bad to weaken them.

karlzt 5y ago
Please don't change it, I like it as it is; 'ycombinator' is a cool word. ------------------- Explain me this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28055839 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28055839
joecool1029 5y ago
If I might suggest a major: (3) breaks SEO for potentially a very long time causing HN to fall out of search results to common queries on the major search engines. (I'm aware of site move tools and 301's, but we almost always see some decline on a domain switchover that takes time to recover)
- jader201 5y ago
  Now that you mention it, I hardly ever see HN results on Google. Not that I would necessarily expect to — or maybe I’ve just learned to not expect them to. But there is quality content here that doesn’t seem to show up in search the way Reddit and Stackoverflow content often show up in search. Have dang/others looked into SEO? Or maybe it’s explicitly not a priority?
  - SturgeonsLaw 5y ago
    To what end? Accelerating towards Eternal September?
  - detaro 5y ago
    I've actually been surprised how quickly HN is indexed. When I see comments about a seemingly niche thing, I often google for more details - and often enough the comment that made me google it is among the top results.
  - sillysaurusx 5y ago
    Odd. I get HN results. You're right that it's not as frequent as SO or Reddit, but it seems to surpass the "hardly ever" threshold.
  - 8bitsrule 5y ago

clusterfish 5y ago

HN is an YC platform where YC companies and founders have special perks by design. It is nice to have it on ycombinator.com subdomain for clarity.