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You don't know what fascist means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet#Accusations_of_fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet#Accusat

You don't know what fascist means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet#Accusations_of_fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet#Accusations_o... Pinochet was a violent dictator but not a fascist

monocasa 5y ago
I do, I just disagree with the wiki article. It even contradicts itself within a few paragraphs there. For instance it lists in your quoted section that > argues that such regimes may be considered populist ultra-nationalism but lack the rhetoric of national rebirth, or palingenesis, necessary to make them conform to the model of palingenetic ultranationalism. And if you scroll up to the section header it says > Pinochet himself expressed his project in government as a national rebirth inspired by Diego Portales, a figure of the early republic:[127] > [Democracy] will be born again purified from the vices and bad habits that ended up destroying our institutions.... [W]e are inspired in the Portalian spirit which has fused together the nation... — Augusto Pinochet, 11 October 1973.
- gfodor 5y ago
  Wikipedia aside, the idea that Pinochet was a fascist is disputed. I recently read a book that defended him as serving the role of a dictator in the Roman sense. It is not "obvious", as you claimed. You don't get to decide if something is obvious, if its disputed, it's not obvious.
  - monocasa 5y ago
    > I recently read a book that defended him as serving the role of a dictator in the Roman sense. That's literally one of the base ideas of fascism. The term 'fascism' itself refers to a 'fasces', the Roman and Etruscan style of axe carried as a sign of governmental power and authority in ancient Rome.
    - gfodor 5y ago
      I suppose I've assumed that the modern definitions of fascism that I've encountered which separate the symbology from the actual purpose and limitations of the legal dictatorship in Roman Republic are sound. Which is why I consider people who relinquish power after the end of a single term not fascists in the way we typically describe the fascist dictators of the 21st century, who generally passed laws to cement their absolute and open-ended authority before they were exposed to being ousted by the normal political processes.
      - monocasa 5y ago
        Who's 'modern' definitions are those? All the ones I can think of (for instance Umberto Eco's) describe fascism's use of specific symbology as key to differentiating them from general dictatorships (among other identifiers).

monocasa 5y ago

I do, I just disagree with the wiki article. It even contradicts itself within a few paragraphs there. For instance it lists in your quoted section that > argues that such regimes may be considered populist ultra-nationalism but lack the rhetoric of national rebirth, or palingenesis, necessary to make them conform to the model of palingenetic ultranationalism. And if you scroll up to the section header it says > Pinochet himself expressed his project in government as a national rebirth inspired by Diego Portales, a figure of the early republic:[127] > [Democracy] will be born again purified from the vices and bad habits that ended up destroying our institutions.... [W]e are inspired in the Portalian spirit which has fused together the nation... — Augusto Pinochet, 11 October 1973.

gfodor 5y ago
Wikipedia aside, the idea that Pinochet was a fascist is disputed. I recently read a book that defended him as serving the role of a dictator in the Roman sense. It is not "obvious", as you claimed. You don't get to decide if something is obvious, if its disputed, it's not obvious.
- monocasa 5y ago
  > I recently read a book that defended him as serving the role of a dictator in the Roman sense. That's literally one of the base ideas of fascism. The term 'fascism' itself refers to a 'fasces', the Roman and Etruscan style of axe carried as a sign of governmental power and authority in ancient Rome.
  - gfodor 5y ago
    I suppose I've assumed that the modern definitions of fascism that I've encountered which separate the symbology from the actual purpose and limitations of the legal dictatorship in Roman Republic are sound. Which is why I consider people who relinquish power after the end of a single term not fascists in the way we typically describe the fascist dictators of the 21st century, who generally passed laws to cement their absolute and open-ended authority before they were exposed to being ousted by the normal political processes.
    - monocasa 5y ago
      Who's 'modern' definitions are those? All the ones I can think of (for instance Umberto Eco's) describe fascism's use of specific symbology as key to differentiating them from general dictatorships (among other identifiers).