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This doesn't follow unless you allow the sneaking in of the idea that all political positions must be granted the same affordances regardless of their character

This doesn't follow unless you allow the sneaking in of the idea that all political positions must be granted the same affordances regardless of their character. I will not allow that sneaking-in because the idea is nonsense. It's quite reasonable to criticize a company for treating gay people poorly and to also nod in approval when they tell fascists to leave and to not let the door hit them on the way out. It's also not meaningfully inconsistent for one to do the reverse, but it's telling on yourself.

generalizations 5y ago
> all political positions must be granted the same affordances regardless of their character Sneaking in? That's my point, plain and simple. If anything, you're sneaking in the implication that it's a shameful thing to claim, so I have to "sneak it in". There's this idea that we should respect the opinions of others, and even defend their right to express them, no matter if we disagree ourselves. In my mind, it's a matter of intellectual honesty. It does seem telling that you might disagree.
- eropple 5y ago
  Platforming fascists is shameful, yes. It does require a sneaking in of a profound false equivalency to let that kind of assertion stand and I refuse to do so. It, like the fascists in question, can get right out of a functioning body politic, because if it doesn't it won't be functioning much longer.
  - generalizations 5y ago
    What will bring down a functioning body politic is the prohibition of unapproved speech. That's what you're advocating.
    - eropple 5y ago
      That is a mendacious lie. You can say what you want, even if it pleases you to empower fascists. I can use my freedom of association to have nothing to do with you or your fellow travelers with similar sympathies. That is how a functioning body politic works.
      - generalizations 5y ago
        > you or your fellow travelers with similar sympathies You seem to have this idea that I'm fascist. Could you give some reference where I said anything that supports this?

generalizations 5y ago

> all political positions must be granted the same affordances regardless of their character Sneaking in? That's my point, plain and simple. If anything, you're sneaking in the implication that it's a shameful thing to claim, so I have to "sneak it in". There's this idea that we should respect the opinions of others, and even defend their right to express them, no matter if we disagree ourselves. In my mind, it's a matter of intellectual honesty. It does seem telling that you might disagree.

eropple 5y ago
Platforming fascists is shameful, yes. It does require a sneaking in of a profound false equivalency to let that kind of assertion stand and I refuse to do so. It, like the fascists in question, can get right out of a functioning body politic, because if it doesn't it won't be functioning much longer.
- generalizations 5y ago
  What will bring down a functioning body politic is the prohibition of unapproved speech. That's what you're advocating.
  - eropple 5y ago
    That is a mendacious lie. You can say what you want, even if it pleases you to empower fascists. I can use my freedom of association to have nothing to do with you or your fellow travelers with similar sympathies. That is how a functioning body politic works.
    - generalizations 5y ago
      > you or your fellow travelers with similar sympathies You seem to have this idea that I'm fascist. Could you give some reference where I said anything that supports this?