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Be careful with that, it might turn out that you yourself is a fascist. Fascists in my country do not know that they are fascists, I'm pretty sure it happens i

Be careful with that, it might turn out that you yourself is a fascist. Fascists in my country do not know that they are fascists, I'm pretty sure it happens in other countries too.

jokethrowaway 5y ago
A very small number of people are fascists. It's just name calling your enemy to incite your people to punch them. Do the fascists in your country want a totalitarian one party dictatorship, racism and war against other countries? If so, they should know they're fascists and they will be more than happy to tell you so. I've talked to fascists and they're unapologetic - everyone else you call fascist is just your political enemy and you're slandering them.
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  > Do the fascists in your country want a totalitarian one party dictatorship, racism and war against other countries? If so, they should know they're fascists and they will be more than happy to tell you so. Oh, my sweet summer child! They do want most of those things (dictatorship, one party rule, war, less so on racism, which is not a hard requirement anyway), but they believe that fascists are their enemies!
gfodor 5y ago
One good indicator of if someone is a fascist is that if they actually stop being in charge for reasons other than death or military defeat they are not a fascist.
- monocasa 5y ago
  That would exclude obvious fascists like Pinochet.
  - gfodor 5y ago
    Even if Pinochet was a fascist, it is hardly "obvious." Dictators may step down. Fascist dictators, not so much. Trump could have kicked off a civil war and retained his power past the deadline with one or two sentences. If he is a fascist, he is a fairly uncommitted one.
    - monocasa 5y ago
      Pinochet is one of the clearest fascists of the past half century. It's very obvious.
      - gfodor 5y ago
        In any case this is irrelevant. My point was that if you want to know if someone is a fascist, a good sign they are not a fascist is if they step down from power for reasons other than by force. Particularly if they had the ability to start an armed conflict to maintain their power up until they were removed by force.
        monocasa 5y ago
        How is a counter example irrelevant?
        gfodor 5y ago
        You're right, it's relevant. If you presume he was a fascist dictator, then my test fails.
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  - jokethrowaway 5y ago
    You don't know what fascist means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet#Accusations_of_fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet#Accusations_o... Pinochet was a violent dictator but not a fascist
- whateveracct 5y ago
  Fascists can't be losers?

Be careful with that, it might turn out that you yourself is a fascist. Fascists in my country do not know that they are fascists, I'm pretty sure it happens in other countries too.

jokethrowaway 5y ago

A very small number of people are fascists. It's just name calling your enemy to incite your people to punch them. Do the fascists in your country want a totalitarian one party dictatorship, racism and war against other countries? If so, they should know they're fascists and they will be more than happy to tell you so. I've talked to fascists and they're unapologetic - everyone else you call fascist is just your political enemy and you're slandering them.

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
> Do the fascists in your country want a totalitarian one party dictatorship, racism and war against other countries? If so, they should know they're fascists and they will be more than happy to tell you so. Oh, my sweet summer child! They do want most of those things (dictatorship, one party rule, war, less so on racism, which is not a hard requirement anyway), but they believe that fascists are their enemies!

gfodor 5y ago

One good indicator of if someone is a fascist is that if they actually stop being in charge for reasons other than death or military defeat they are not a fascist.

monocasa 5y ago
That would exclude obvious fascists like Pinochet.
- gfodor 5y ago
  Even if Pinochet was a fascist, it is hardly "obvious." Dictators may step down. Fascist dictators, not so much. Trump could have kicked off a civil war and retained his power past the deadline with one or two sentences. If he is a fascist, he is a fairly uncommitted one.
  - monocasa 5y ago
    Pinochet is one of the clearest fascists of the past half century. It's very obvious.
    - gfodor 5y ago
      In any case this is irrelevant. My point was that if you want to know if someone is a fascist, a good sign they are not a fascist is if they step down from power for reasons other than by force. Particularly if they had the ability to start an armed conflict to maintain their power up until they were removed by force.
      - monocasa 5y ago
        How is a counter example irrelevant?
        gfodor 5y ago
        You're right, it's relevant. If you presume he was a fascist dictator, then my test fails.
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- jokethrowaway 5y ago
  You don't know what fascist means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet#Accusations_of_fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet#Accusations_o... Pinochet was a violent dictator but not a fascist
whateveracct 5y ago
Fascists can't be losers?