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If I want something to work on my mac, I look for a mac logo on packaging. I can assume the company has done proper QA and testing to make sure that's the case

If I want something to work on my mac, I look for a mac logo on packaging. I can assume the company has done proper QA and testing to make sure that's the case. If I want something to work on a typical linux installation, I have to dig through hardware wikis, pages of forum posts, and be ready to dive into config files in case the info above is wrong. And even then there can be less of a guarantee The year of the linux desktop will happen once Ubuntu or whatever distro is most popular has a logo that appears next to the windows and/or mac compatibility stickers. And to add, if anything, we SHOULD be listening to geek enthusiasts if we want linux to go mainstream. Those are the people actually using it day to day, and the ones that will be installing it on other people's computers. Do you really think we'll get to mainstream adoption by just ignoring issues techies face that a typical user would also face?

bogwog 5y ago
> The year of the linux desktop will happen once Ubuntu or whatever distro is most popular has a logo that appears next to the windows and/or mac compatibility stickers. That's wrong and ignorant. I installed Kubuntu on my main desktop ~7 years ago, and have had zero compatibility or stability issues, even through 2 LTS upgrades. If everyone who wanted to try Linux used my exact hardware, the Linux desktop would not suddenly take off. > And to add, if anything, we SHOULD be listening to geek enthusiasts if we want linux to go mainstream. Those are the people actually using it day to day, and the ones that will be installing it on other people's computers. > Do you really think we'll get to mainstream adoption by just ignoring issues techies face that a typical user would also face? Did you reply to the wrong person? I didn't say anything even remotely close to this.
- spicybright 5y ago
  > Who installs Linux themselves? Tech geeks/enthusiasts. > Who should know better than to install an operating system before checking for hardware support? Tech geeks/enthusiasts. > That's why I can't take those people seriously. ... we're not going to find answers to those problems by listening to these people. Am I missing something here? My point is issues techies face are the same as a non techie would. So why wouldn't you listen to that kind of feedback from techies? It's not like they're complaining about kernel internals or architecture, they're complaining about user experience compared to other mainstream operating systems. If a linux desktop distro can't or isn't willing to address that, then it's simply not designed for a typical user as much as people want it to be.
  - bogwog 5y ago
    Ok I see the mix up. When I said “those people”, I wasnt referring to tech people in general, just the ones that would say things like the Linux desktop is doomed because of hardware support.
jamesgeck0 5y ago
> The year of the linux desktop will happen once Ubuntu or whatever distro is most popular has a logo that appears next to the windows and/or mac compatibility stickers. That last network card I bought that had a Tux on the box used an unmaintained GPL-but-out-of-kernel driver that no longer compiled on mainline kernels.
- spicybright 5y ago
  Let me refine that then. The sticker needs the same guarantees the windows and macos ones do if it wants to be on the box. Not just some kind of pandering for market share to get linux users to buy it.

bogwog 5y ago

> The year of the linux desktop will happen once Ubuntu or whatever distro is most popular has a logo that appears next to the windows and/or mac compatibility stickers. That's wrong and ignorant. I installed Kubuntu on my main desktop ~7 years ago, and have had zero compatibility or stability issues, even through 2 LTS upgrades. If everyone who wanted to try Linux used my exact hardware, the Linux desktop would not suddenly take off. > And to add, if anything, we SHOULD be listening to geek enthusiasts if we want linux to go mainstream. Those are the people actually using it day to day, and the ones that will be installing it on other people's computers. > Do you really think we'll get to mainstream adoption by just ignoring issues techies face that a typical user would also face? Did you reply to the wrong person? I didn't say anything even remotely close to this.

spicybright 5y ago
> Who installs Linux themselves? Tech geeks/enthusiasts. > Who should know better than to install an operating system before checking for hardware support? Tech geeks/enthusiasts. > That's why I can't take those people seriously. ... we're not going to find answers to those problems by listening to these people. Am I missing something here? My point is issues techies face are the same as a non techie would. So why wouldn't you listen to that kind of feedback from techies? It's not like they're complaining about kernel internals or architecture, they're complaining about user experience compared to other mainstream operating systems. If a linux desktop distro can't or isn't willing to address that, then it's simply not designed for a typical user as much as people want it to be.
- bogwog 5y ago
  Ok I see the mix up. When I said “those people”, I wasnt referring to tech people in general, just the ones that would say things like the Linux desktop is doomed because of hardware support.

jamesgeck0 5y ago

> The year of the linux desktop will happen once Ubuntu or whatever distro is most popular has a logo that appears next to the windows and/or mac compatibility stickers. That last network card I bought that had a Tux on the box used an unmaintained GPL-but-out-of-kernel driver that no longer compiled on mainline kernels.

spicybright 5y ago
Let me refine that then. The sticker needs the same guarantees the windows and macos ones do if it wants to be on the box. Not just some kind of pandering for market share to get linux users to buy it.