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What's really crazy is that Apple can screw up several times in a row (abrupt removal of all ports; Touch Bar; flawed keyboard design), even such that the screw

What's really crazy is that Apple can screw up several times in a row (abrupt removal of all ports; Touch Bar; flawed keyboard design), even such that the screwups overlap and are occurring all at once, and... there's not really anyone else to go to. Their products are basically their own category—everyone else is that far behind on overall UX, capabilities, and average (maybe not worst-case) experience—so your choices are "just live with the bad parts and hope they fix it next time" or "slice off your nose". It really sucks. I'd love for them to have anyone nipping at their heels. (Windows user from '94-present [gaming and other non-serious uses, for most of that time], mainly a desktop Linux user from 2000-2011 and I still try it out every couple years, FWIW—alternated between nodding along and going "holy crap, still?!" for all of TFA)

peheje 5y ago
Maybe in regard to their new APU's, but everything else I think PC's are just as great. There has also been some really nice Windows laptops in most recent years. I got a business HP laptop (think it was probook series) for work when I started 2 years ago. It was awesome, great trackpad, keyboard, battery life, speed etc. Had to move over to Macbook Pro 16" due to some technical setup in the workplace. It's great too but not ahead on anything really. Lower battery, more heat. Slower. Also Intel though. Lot of issues with connecting non-Apple displays. Also heard the Dell XPS should be great. I just think many people think Macbook good, PC bad. Because they ARE willing to spend 2500$ on a Mac but their last PC they spend 1000$, and then they to compare. But I concede, currently Apple APU's has no match.
- tombert 5y ago
  > Lot of issues with connecting non-Apple displays. I have the 16" Macbook pro as well, and haven't ever had any issues connecting to an HDMI monitor/TV with just a cheapy USB-C dongle I bought off Amazon. What kind of issues are you having?
  - handrous 5y ago
    The place I worked when the all-usb-c Macs rolled out, I do recall a lot of "that monitor doesn't work no matter what", and "that one works but only with this cable and dongle, swap either and it won't work", and "that one works but only with the displayport dongle, not HDMI", and "that one works but it'll blank about once an hour and you'll have to unplug it and plug it back in", et c. I hope that's been ironed out by now, but don't really know (I WFH now and have for years, and my monitor's fine, but that's just one monitor)
  - peheje 5y ago
    We have issues with our dual HP screen setup going completely black out for 5-10 seconds randomly 3-5 times throughout a work-day. When it happens the screen setup/orientation often reset, so left becomes right. We've tried multiple different cables, cheap ones, short ones, expensive ones, Thunderbolt 3 etc. etc. Console does log an error when it happens, but we don't have the expertise to look into it. And really who to contact? HP would point fingers at Apple and vice versa, or Apple at our corporate setup. Doesn't seem to happen with only 1 screen attached. For headset connection we use an off-brand adapter where we plugin the wireless USB-A dongle, but you sound like a robot. Probably adapter fault, but same issue, who to contact? We found a particular brand of a very cheap small USB-C to A adapter works. I am using bluetooth to connect my headset, but it's very spotty requiring me to reset bluetooth module one a week to get the connection. So why am I using bluetooth you might ask, and not the dongle? Well if I use the dongle it interferes with my personal Logitech mice/keyboard setup, so that begins to lag. I know the solution is to use Airpods, Apple keyboard and mice/trackpad as well as Apple screens and adapters... but expensive and shouldn't be necessary.
- handrous 5y ago
  > I just think many people think Macbook good, PC bad. Because they ARE willing to spend 2500$ on a Mac but their last PC they spend 1000$, and then they to compare. FWIW we've never spent more than ~$1300 on a personal MacBook (older Pro, when the lower-end models were much cheaper, and a recent Air; my wife's owned two Airs). Aside from one case when a workplace provided me a much higher-end unit than I would have requested—I'd really rather not have a discrete graphics card, thanks, as they're the cause of a solid 50% of all problems with laptops, both Mac and PC, in my experience—I don't think a company's ever spent more than ~$1700 on a work MacBook for me.

peheje 5y ago

Maybe in regard to their new APU's, but everything else I think PC's are just as great. There has also been some really nice Windows laptops in most recent years. I got a business HP laptop (think it was probook series) for work when I started 2 years ago. It was awesome, great trackpad, keyboard, battery life, speed etc. Had to move over to Macbook Pro 16" due to some technical setup in the workplace. It's great too but not ahead on anything really. Lower battery, more heat. Slower. Also Intel though. Lot of issues with connecting non-Apple displays. Also heard the Dell XPS should be great. I just think many people think Macbook good, PC bad. Because they ARE willing to spend 2500$ on a Mac but their last PC they spend 1000$, and then they to compare. But I concede, currently Apple APU's has no match.

tombert 5y ago
> Lot of issues with connecting non-Apple displays. I have the 16" Macbook pro as well, and haven't ever had any issues connecting to an HDMI monitor/TV with just a cheapy USB-C dongle I bought off Amazon. What kind of issues are you having?
- handrous 5y ago
  The place I worked when the all-usb-c Macs rolled out, I do recall a lot of "that monitor doesn't work no matter what", and "that one works but only with this cable and dongle, swap either and it won't work", and "that one works but only with the displayport dongle, not HDMI", and "that one works but it'll blank about once an hour and you'll have to unplug it and plug it back in", et c. I hope that's been ironed out by now, but don't really know (I WFH now and have for years, and my monitor's fine, but that's just one monitor)
- peheje 5y ago
  We have issues with our dual HP screen setup going completely black out for 5-10 seconds randomly 3-5 times throughout a work-day. When it happens the screen setup/orientation often reset, so left becomes right. We've tried multiple different cables, cheap ones, short ones, expensive ones, Thunderbolt 3 etc. etc. Console does log an error when it happens, but we don't have the expertise to look into it. And really who to contact? HP would point fingers at Apple and vice versa, or Apple at our corporate setup. Doesn't seem to happen with only 1 screen attached. For headset connection we use an off-brand adapter where we plugin the wireless USB-A dongle, but you sound like a robot. Probably adapter fault, but same issue, who to contact? We found a particular brand of a very cheap small USB-C to A adapter works. I am using bluetooth to connect my headset, but it's very spotty requiring me to reset bluetooth module one a week to get the connection. So why am I using bluetooth you might ask, and not the dongle? Well if I use the dongle it interferes with my personal Logitech mice/keyboard setup, so that begins to lag. I know the solution is to use Airpods, Apple keyboard and mice/trackpad as well as Apple screens and adapters... but expensive and shouldn't be necessary.
handrous 5y ago
> I just think many people think Macbook good, PC bad. Because they ARE willing to spend 2500$ on a Mac but their last PC they spend 1000$, and then they to compare. FWIW we've never spent more than ~$1300 on a personal MacBook (older Pro, when the lower-end models were much cheaper, and a recent Air; my wife's owned two Airs). Aside from one case when a workplace provided me a much higher-end unit than I would have requested—I'd really rather not have a discrete graphics card, thanks, as they're the cause of a solid 50% of all problems with laptops, both Mac and PC, in my experience—I don't think a company's ever spent more than ~$1700 on a work MacBook for me.