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Anecdata: I have an intel/dell laptop and bluetooth is a trainwreck on Focal Fossa, let alone display modes and orientation changes. Video playback in FireFox w

Anecdata: I have an intel/dell laptop and bluetooth is a trainwreck on Focal Fossa, let alone display modes and orientation changes. Video playback in FireFox works sometimes, sometimes i need to reboot because it freezes and then won't play again even if I kill the process (I think it is related to going into suspend with a video paused). Yeah, I'm just one person, but damn it is frustrating to do anything else but dev work on linux.

heavyset_go 5y ago
You're running a two year old kernel on Focal. Try something newer. I have Intel WiFi and Bluetooth and they work perfectly fine on Linux, as does video playback on Firefox.
- SavantIdiot 5y ago
  Lol. ~30 years of effort and the answer is still: "Download the latest version." Linux is a workhorse, not a Windows replacement for the unwashed masses.
  - heavyset_go 5y ago
    This is like using Windows 7 and complaining when it's Windows 10 that has compatibility with your hardware. LTS releases are explicit that they have limited hardware support, that is if they even attempt to backport new/updated hardware support at all. That's the point of Ubuntu's LTS Hardware Enablement (HWE) program[1], although it isn't perfect and I wouldn't rely on it for hardware support. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
    - SavantIdiot 5y ago
      20.04 is literally the latest LTS version of Ubuntu. Windows 7 is TWELVE YEARS OLD. You're analogy is garbage. On top of that, I've run the auto updater that comes with the GUI (does more than sudo apt update). If that isn't sufficient to use 4 year-old bluetooth headphones that are older than the OS, and FireFox to watch Netflix, it is far, far worse than Windows. Look, I really want this to succeed, but be honest, it's far behind Windows and Mac.
      - heavyset_go 5y ago
        I didn't make the comparison because of its age, but because it's a version of Windows that came before 10, and I forgot Windows 8 even existed. Fill in Windows 8 or 8.1 or whatever for Windows 7. IMO, your average desktop user's use case isn't served well by an LTS if they plan on using relatively recent hardware, peripherals or software. LTS desktop releases suit Canonical's corporate customers' needs well, though, which is why they were released in the first place. A distribution that uses up-to-date software suits most use cases. Bluetooth headphone support is something that bit me in the past, as well, but it's an issue that was solved with PipeWire. Ubuntu 20.04 still uses PulseAudio.
    - itvision 5y ago
      Windows 7 has long been unsupported, Windows 8.1 support has recently been dropped by most OEMs as well since Microsoft has deprecated Windows 8.1 earlier than expected. Four years ago anything you bought was fully supported by Windows 7 and 8.1 aside from lazy OEMs who refused to provide older OSes' drivers.
  - itvision 5y ago
    > "Download the latest version." Yeah, and if you're running something like Debian 11, CentOS or Ubuntu LTS the answer will be, "Go compile the latest kernel".

heavyset_go 5y ago

You're running a two year old kernel on Focal. Try something newer. I have Intel WiFi and Bluetooth and they work perfectly fine on Linux, as does video playback on Firefox.

SavantIdiot 5y ago
Lol. ~30 years of effort and the answer is still: "Download the latest version." Linux is a workhorse, not a Windows replacement for the unwashed masses.
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  This is like using Windows 7 and complaining when it's Windows 10 that has compatibility with your hardware. LTS releases are explicit that they have limited hardware support, that is if they even attempt to backport new/updated hardware support at all. That's the point of Ubuntu's LTS Hardware Enablement (HWE) program[1], although it isn't perfect and I wouldn't rely on it for hardware support. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
  - SavantIdiot 5y ago
    20.04 is literally the latest LTS version of Ubuntu. Windows 7 is TWELVE YEARS OLD. You're analogy is garbage. On top of that, I've run the auto updater that comes with the GUI (does more than sudo apt update). If that isn't sufficient to use 4 year-old bluetooth headphones that are older than the OS, and FireFox to watch Netflix, it is far, far worse than Windows. Look, I really want this to succeed, but be honest, it's far behind Windows and Mac.
    - heavyset_go 5y ago
      I didn't make the comparison because of its age, but because it's a version of Windows that came before 10, and I forgot Windows 8 even existed. Fill in Windows 8 or 8.1 or whatever for Windows 7. IMO, your average desktop user's use case isn't served well by an LTS if they plan on using relatively recent hardware, peripherals or software. LTS desktop releases suit Canonical's corporate customers' needs well, though, which is why they were released in the first place. A distribution that uses up-to-date software suits most use cases. Bluetooth headphone support is something that bit me in the past, as well, but it's an issue that was solved with PipeWire. Ubuntu 20.04 still uses PulseAudio.
  - itvision 5y ago
    Windows 7 has long been unsupported, Windows 8.1 support has recently been dropped by most OEMs as well since Microsoft has deprecated Windows 8.1 earlier than expected. Four years ago anything you bought was fully supported by Windows 7 and 8.1 aside from lazy OEMs who refused to provide older OSes' drivers.
- itvision 5y ago
  > "Download the latest version." Yeah, and if you're running something like Debian 11, CentOS or Ubuntu LTS the answer will be, "Go compile the latest kernel".