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If that's all it is, it's pretty damning of Google. It'd be nice if they thought of the users they'd be affecting, but I guess in a way they are, in that they'
by joemi 5y ago
If that's all it is, it's pretty damning of Google.
It'd be nice if they thought of the users they'd be affecting, but I guess in a way they are, in that they're upset they can't mine those users.
- judge2020 5y agoBoth sides of the agreement are likely being deceptive in their statements. Google says they never asked for preferential treatment of search, nor access to user data[0], yet Roku says they did. 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28945280 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28945280 also see[]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28945250 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28945250
- black_puppydog 5y agoWhat you describe really only guarantees that at least one of the two is being deceptive.
- TwiceCubed 5y ago"Both sides" meaning "both sides of Google's lying mouth".
- rnd0 5y agoMost likely but that doesn't exclude the possibility that Roku is dissembling as well.
- etempleton 5y agoGoogle denies that they made this request, but recently revealed emails indicate that they did make a request along those lines. Regardless of this deal, Roku is almost certainly dead in the water. They have limited international penetration and their platform, if you can call it one, is extremely limited compared to Apple, Google, and even Amazon’s offerings and app stores. I don’t see a path forward at this point for the company. They will continue to have a stream of ad revenue for awhile, but will slowly get squeezed out.
- throwawaymanbot 5y agoDo you work for google?
- tyingq 5y agoThey seem to be doing well in North America: https://9to5google.com/2021/05/03/roku-global-streaming-marketshare-drops/ https://9to5google.com/2021/05/03/roku-global-streaming-mark...
- fgonzag 5y agoThey have limited international penetration and their platform Most cheap smart tvs come with roku OS. I wouldn't call that limited penetration.
- etempleton 5y agoMost cheap smart TVs in North America.
- nsn90 5y agoalso Latin America, where their value offer is strong
- wmf 5y agoRoku is a meta-platform that includes Apple and Amazon and may even be taking a 30% cut of those.
- commoner 5y agoI don't see any evidence that Roku is taking 30% of anything. Roku does not require users to use its own payment system for subscriptions of streaming services, including subscriptions initiated from within the channel. Roku help page for Apple TV channel: https://support.roku.com/article/360036652634 https://support.roku.com/article/360036652634 > If you subscribe to any Apple TV Channels, payment will be charged to your Apple ID account at purchase. Apple TV channel listing on Roku: https://channelstore.roku.com/details/a20e3c294993147c6cda435497594031/apple-tv https://channelstore.roku.com/details/a20e3c294993147c6cda43...