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From the article: > The fight between the two companies centers on a 2019 agreement to allow YouTube TV on Roku. Roku said Google demanded special access to se
by humanistbot 5y ago
From the article:
> The fight between the two companies centers on a 2019 agreement to allow YouTube TV on Roku. Roku said Google demanded special access to search data from Roku customers as a condition of allowing YouTube TV on Roku devices. Roku also said Google asked for prioritized search results for YouTube videos in Roku's search feature.
> Roku said it agreed to those terms, but also asked that Google not ask for any additional data. Google would not commit to that, according to Roku, and now both sides are at an impasse. Unless both companies come to an agreement before Dec. 9, YouTube's apps will disappear from Roku's app store.
- joemi 5y agoIf that's all it is, it's pretty damning of Google. It'd be nice if they thought of the users they'd be affecting, but I guess in a way they are, in that they're upset they can't mine those users.
- judge2020 5y agoBoth sides of the agreement are likely being deceptive in their statements. Google says they never asked for preferential treatment of search, nor access to user data[0], yet Roku says they did. 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28945280 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28945280 also see[]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28945250 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28945250
- black_puppydog 5y agoWhat you describe really only guarantees that at least one of the two is being deceptive.
- TwiceCubed 5y ago"Both sides" meaning "both sides of Google's lying mouth".
- rnd0 5y agoMost likely but that doesn't exclude the possibility that Roku is dissembling as well.
- etempleton 5y agoGoogle denies that they made this request, but recently revealed emails indicate that they did make a request along those lines. Regardless of this deal, Roku is almost certainly dead in the water. They have limited international penetration and their platform, if you can call it one, is extremely limited compared to Apple, Google, and even Amazon’s offerings and app stores. I don’t see a path forward at this point for the company. They will continue to have a stream of ad revenue for awhile, but will slowly get squeezed out.
- throwawaymanbot 5y agoDo you work for google?
- tyingq 5y agoThey seem to be doing well in North America: https://9to5google.com/2021/05/03/roku-global-streaming-marketshare-drops/ https://9to5google.com/2021/05/03/roku-global-streaming-mark...
- fgonzag 5y agoThey have limited international penetration and their platform Most cheap smart tvs come with roku OS. I wouldn't call that limited penetration.
- etempleton 5y agoMost cheap smart TVs in North America.
- nsn90 5y agoalso Latin America, where their value offer is strong
- wmf 5y agoRoku is a meta-platform that includes Apple and Amazon and may even be taking a 30% cut of those.