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Lots of posts on here about US folks taking bizarre measures to avoid being harassed by authority: travel with burner phones, not using unusual OSes, not using

Lots of posts on here about US folks taking bizarre measures to avoid being harassed by authority: travel with burner phones, not using unusual OSes, not using techniques to record, wiping phones before travel. We're just normalizing a slow roll to a police-state.

SauciestGNU 5y ago
Not exactly a slow roll, recently a group of my friends engaged in a sit-in, and the police beat them then charged them with resisting or obstructing causing injury, a 5 year felony because despite not resisting the officers complained of soreness after beating them. I just want to say the police are almost universally monsters, and if you find yourself on a jury where someone is accused of violence against the police, consider not convicting, since the police are probably either lying or the accused acted in self-defense.
- BingoAhoy 5y ago
  Yup I was detained by a police, where he broke my rib, and in car ride over he nonchalantly said consider myself lucky he wasn't pressing charges for me grabbing him. That itself being a remarkably bold lie.
annoyingnoob 5y ago
No, we have Qualified Immunity. The cops can do whatever the fuck they want and then lie about it without any repercussions whatsoever. Even in a case where it can be proven that a cop lied on the stand the court will side with the cops and there is no perjury for cops due to qualified immunity. If we can ever hold police to the same standards as every other citizen then we won't need to try to evade police detection. Pretty sad that police are so dishonest on a regular basis. The police in the US are really government sanctioned gangs of thugs. Next time you see a politician get up and talk about being 'tough on crime' you'll know how things got this way.
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  > and there is no perjury for cops due to qualified immunity. Qualified immunity prevents private parties from suing the cops. But isn't perjury a crime? Qualified immunity doesn't apply to criminal prosecutions.
  - annoyingnoob 5y ago
    What does it mean when laws are not enforced or even overlooked in favor of immunity? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity To quote from wikipedia: A 2020 Reuters report concurred with Sotomayor, concluding that "the Supreme Court has built qualified immunity into an often insurmountable police defense by intervening in cases mostly to favor the police". The report reviewed over 200 cases involving excess force by police since 2007, and found since the 2009 Pearson change from mandatory sequencing to discretionary sequencing, plaintiffs have had a more difficult time moving their case past the qualified immunity stage. http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking06/Muckraker.html http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking06/Muckraker.html
    - thaumasiotes 5y ago
      Some people are above the law. I never said I approved of the system.
- genocidicbunny 5y ago
  > If we can ever hold police to the same standards as every other citizen then we won't need to try to evade police detection. Pretty sad that police are so dishonest on a regular basis. Police should be held to a higher standard than citizens, and punished more harshly for transgressions.

SauciestGNU 5y ago

Not exactly a slow roll, recently a group of my friends engaged in a sit-in, and the police beat them then charged them with resisting or obstructing causing injury, a 5 year felony because despite not resisting the officers complained of soreness after beating them. I just want to say the police are almost universally monsters, and if you find yourself on a jury where someone is accused of violence against the police, consider not convicting, since the police are probably either lying or the accused acted in self-defense.

BingoAhoy 5y ago
Yup I was detained by a police, where he broke my rib, and in car ride over he nonchalantly said consider myself lucky he wasn't pressing charges for me grabbing him. That itself being a remarkably bold lie.

annoyingnoob 5y ago

No, we have Qualified Immunity. The cops can do whatever the fuck they want and then lie about it without any repercussions whatsoever. Even in a case where it can be proven that a cop lied on the stand the court will side with the cops and there is no perjury for cops due to qualified immunity. If we can ever hold police to the same standards as every other citizen then we won't need to try to evade police detection. Pretty sad that police are so dishonest on a regular basis. The police in the US are really government sanctioned gangs of thugs. Next time you see a politician get up and talk about being 'tough on crime' you'll know how things got this way.

thaumasiotes 5y ago
> and there is no perjury for cops due to qualified immunity. Qualified immunity prevents private parties from suing the cops. But isn't perjury a crime? Qualified immunity doesn't apply to criminal prosecutions.
- annoyingnoob 5y ago
  What does it mean when laws are not enforced or even overlooked in favor of immunity? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity To quote from wikipedia: A 2020 Reuters report concurred with Sotomayor, concluding that "the Supreme Court has built qualified immunity into an often insurmountable police defense by intervening in cases mostly to favor the police". The report reviewed over 200 cases involving excess force by police since 2007, and found since the 2009 Pearson change from mandatory sequencing to discretionary sequencing, plaintiffs have had a more difficult time moving their case past the qualified immunity stage. http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking06/Muckraker.html http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking06/Muckraker.html
  - thaumasiotes 5y ago
    Some people are above the law. I never said I approved of the system.
genocidicbunny 5y ago
> If we can ever hold police to the same standards as every other citizen then we won't need to try to evade police detection. Pretty sad that police are so dishonest on a regular basis. Police should be held to a higher standard than citizens, and punished more harshly for transgressions.