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> In fact, TSMC has already started making 5nm chips called the Apple M1 Pro. This is not a recent development. TSMC has been mass producing 5nm chips for slig
by DCKing 5y ago
> In fact, TSMC has already started making 5nm chips called the Apple M1 Pro.
This is not a recent development. TSMC has been mass producing 5nm chips for slightly over a year now. The first 5nm chip on the market was the Apple A14 (iPhone 12 line) released almost exactly one year ago, and soon thereafter (November 10th, 2020) the first M1 Macs.
Samsung has had their ""5nm"" chips out since early 2021 with the Exynos 2100 and Snapdragon 888. It's in the ballpark of TSMC's process but not as dense.
Intel hasn't even announced their first mass market 7nm (or ""Intel 4"", sigh) products yet. ""Intel 4"" is inferior to Samsung's and TSMC's 5nm processes on paper, and it'll likely not even be next year that we're going to see products with them.
I don't think Intel's foundries will be competing on the leading edge of the market. They'll have be trying to have value focused production with their 14nm and 10nm processes, I would guess. There should be plenty of demand there still, but it'll be a good while - if ever - before Intel is leading again.
- eulers_secret 5y ago>""Intel 4"" is inferior to Samsung's and TSMC's 5nm processes on paper {...} According to transistor density information this is false (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_nm_process https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_nm_process) TSMC 5nm density: 173 MTr/mm^2 Samsung 5nm density: 127 MTr/mm^2 Intel 4 (estimated): ~200 MTr/mm^2 Got a source? I'm willing to change my mind, but the data doesn't agree with your assertion from my point of view. Samsung's process has always lagged TSMC and INTC. It's part of why the 3080 is so hot/power hungry.
- DCKing 5y agoThink I may be mistaken here. Would be good if ""Intel 4"" can compete!
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- chelical 5y agoIntel's numbers are theoretical. They're still relying heavily on multi patterning for their current chips. They have yet to demonstrate competency with EUV. Intel 4 is also projected for 2023. Tsmc are producing 5nm chips right now.
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