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Just wait for an update that will reenable everything you've disabled.

mkipper 5y ago
Don't forget that it might come bundled with other helpful updates with no way to choose which pieces to pull in. I can't believe people are actually comparing telemetry in Windows to Linux.
- hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
  > I can't believe people are actually comparing telemetry in Windows to Linux. I'm not surprised - at least some of these people are Microsoft employees so it's no wonder they try to use the same strategy as always - fear, uncertainty and doubt. After all, if people start believing that "Linux also has telemetry", why even consider switching? Actually I'm happy to hear it from the mouth of Microsoft employees (especially "advocacy" guys, i.e. paid to convince others): it means that Microsoft does care, they do consider Linux a threat, and the war is definitely not over.
  - md8z 5y ago
    There's no FUD. Ubuntu actually does have telemetry. KDE does too. It may not be quite the same in implementation as Microsoft's telemetry, but it is there. There is also nothing to be afraid of here either, the effects of it and how to use it are all spelled out clearly in the respective privacy policies. https://ubuntu.com/legal/data-privacy https://ubuntu.com/legal/data-privacy https://community.kde.org/Telemetry_Use https://community.kde.org/Telemetry_Use "Why even consider switching" is the eternal question that Linux companies have not been able to adequately answer for the last few decades. If you know of a good reason, let me know. Otherwise we can agree that the "war" was already over a long time ago and Microsoft won pretty clearly.
    - fouric 5y ago
      > Ubuntu actually does have telemetry. KDE does too. Ahh, yes, Ubuntu and KDE = Linux. Very logical. > It may not be quite the same in implementation as Microsoft's telemetry, but it is there. There can be a world of difference between telemetry implementations. Debian's popcount, for instance, is opt-in - Windows' are mostly (if not all) opt-out. Ubuntu and KDE send their data to organizations that I trust - Windows do not. Ubuntu and KDE's telemetry remain off when I turn it off - Windows' does not. I know exactly what data KDE collects, because it's spelled out in that page you linked - I don't know what data Windows or Ubuntu collect. Given the extreme variance in telemetry implementations, trying to falsely equivocate Windows and Linux telemetry is FUD.
      - md8z 5y ago
        "Ahh, yes, Ubuntu and KDE = Linux." In this case, yes. Ubuntu and KDE are two major players in desktop Linux. There really is not anything stopping Linux vendors from using telemetry, and in fact I'd expect them to use more of it in the event their products get more popular. "Debian's popcount, for instance, is opt-in - Windows' are mostly (if not all) opt-out." This is a minor detail and I don't think it actually matters. If a company actually needs that data and is not getting it from that telemetry then they're getting it from somewhere else. For example Canonical builds products on Debian and doesn't use popcon, they use other data collection mechanisms, which are detailed in the privacy policy I posted. "Ubuntu and KDE send their data to organizations that I trust" This has nothing to do with the implementation. Plus, Microsoft's dedicated customers do trust Microsoft to similar degree, so this is not going to be convincing to them. You need a better selling point. "Ubuntu and KDE's telemetry remain off when I turn it off - Windows' does not." That sounds to me like a bug or glitch that someone should fix. Ubuntu or KDE could also manifest such bugs, I guess we're just lucky they haven't. "I don't know what data Windows or Ubuntu collect" It's possible to change that. You can just read the Ubuntu privacy policy that I posted. Windows also has a similar privacy policy, you should do a search for it if you're interested. "trying to falsely equivocate Windows and Linux telemetry is FUD" Actually I have not done this, I mentioned they're different, and I explicitly explained how you shouldn't be afraid, uncertain or doubting anything. In a lot of cases (including some you mentioned) telemetry is not actually bad, and Windows users may feel that it's not bad for them either. I can give you more details if you need them. Please just don't misuse the phrase "FUD" like this.

Don't forget that it might come bundled with other helpful updates with no way to choose which pieces to pull in. I can't believe people are actually comparing telemetry in Windows to Linux.

hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
> I can't believe people are actually comparing telemetry in Windows to Linux. I'm not surprised - at least some of these people are Microsoft employees so it's no wonder they try to use the same strategy as always - fear, uncertainty and doubt. After all, if people start believing that "Linux also has telemetry", why even consider switching? Actually I'm happy to hear it from the mouth of Microsoft employees (especially "advocacy" guys, i.e. paid to convince others): it means that Microsoft does care, they do consider Linux a threat, and the war is definitely not over.
- md8z 5y ago
  There's no FUD. Ubuntu actually does have telemetry. KDE does too. It may not be quite the same in implementation as Microsoft's telemetry, but it is there. There is also nothing to be afraid of here either, the effects of it and how to use it are all spelled out clearly in the respective privacy policies. https://ubuntu.com/legal/data-privacy https://ubuntu.com/legal/data-privacy https://community.kde.org/Telemetry_Use https://community.kde.org/Telemetry_Use "Why even consider switching" is the eternal question that Linux companies have not been able to adequately answer for the last few decades. If you know of a good reason, let me know. Otherwise we can agree that the "war" was already over a long time ago and Microsoft won pretty clearly.
  - fouric 5y ago
    > Ubuntu actually does have telemetry. KDE does too. Ahh, yes, Ubuntu and KDE = Linux. Very logical. > It may not be quite the same in implementation as Microsoft's telemetry, but it is there. There can be a world of difference between telemetry implementations. Debian's popcount, for instance, is opt-in - Windows' are mostly (if not all) opt-out. Ubuntu and KDE send their data to organizations that I trust - Windows do not. Ubuntu and KDE's telemetry remain off when I turn it off - Windows' does not. I know exactly what data KDE collects, because it's spelled out in that page you linked - I don't know what data Windows or Ubuntu collect. Given the extreme variance in telemetry implementations, trying to falsely equivocate Windows and Linux telemetry is FUD.
    - md8z 5y ago
      "Ahh, yes, Ubuntu and KDE = Linux." In this case, yes. Ubuntu and KDE are two major players in desktop Linux. There really is not anything stopping Linux vendors from using telemetry, and in fact I'd expect them to use more of it in the event their products get more popular. "Debian's popcount, for instance, is opt-in - Windows' are mostly (if not all) opt-out." This is a minor detail and I don't think it actually matters. If a company actually needs that data and is not getting it from that telemetry then they're getting it from somewhere else. For example Canonical builds products on Debian and doesn't use popcon, they use other data collection mechanisms, which are detailed in the privacy policy I posted. "Ubuntu and KDE send their data to organizations that I trust" This has nothing to do with the implementation. Plus, Microsoft's dedicated customers do trust Microsoft to similar degree, so this is not going to be convincing to them. You need a better selling point. "Ubuntu and KDE's telemetry remain off when I turn it off - Windows' does not." That sounds to me like a bug or glitch that someone should fix. Ubuntu or KDE could also manifest such bugs, I guess we're just lucky they haven't. "I don't know what data Windows or Ubuntu collect" It's possible to change that. You can just read the Ubuntu privacy policy that I posted. Windows also has a similar privacy policy, you should do a search for it if you're interested. "trying to falsely equivocate Windows and Linux telemetry is FUD" Actually I have not done this, I mentioned they're different, and I explicitly explained how you shouldn't be afraid, uncertain or doubting anything. In a lot of cases (including some you mentioned) telemetry is not actually bad, and Windows users may feel that it's not bad for them either. I can give you more details if you need them. Please just don't misuse the phrase "FUD" like this.