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Funny, that's why I still use Windows on my desktop.

vetinari 5y ago
To add to the funny story, I have Ryzen 1900X on my desk (literally, the cpu in a small plastic box). Nowadays, those 8 Zen cores clocked at 3.8 GHz are not enough to run Windows, apparently.
- chirau 5y ago
  This is obviously not true. Which Windows can't you run on that?
  - zdragnar 5y ago
    Does it meet 11's hardware requirements? I thought I had heard older Ryzens wouldn't- not from performance, but other chip features.
  - metalliqaz 5y ago
    He's talking about the Windows 11 hardware requirements, which are very strict and only support the newest CPUs. However Windows 11 can be installed on the same hardware that runs Windows 10, it just won't allow you to upgrade. Otherwise it runs fine. Microsoft is basically turning Windows into what mobile OS's are: tightly controlled and requiring specific hardware to ensure a particular set of user expectations with their devices. In other words, it's becoming a laptop OS.
    - vetinari 5y ago
      > However Windows 11 can be installed on the same hardware that runs Windows 10, it just won't allow you to upgrade. It was not possible to either run the update assistant or boot from install media and install from there; both means said that the machine doesn't meet minimum requirements. They didn't even say which ones, just shown a generic link. Only the Health Check running under W10 said that it is the CPU.
  - vetinari 5y ago
    Yeah, who should I believe, you, a random stranger on the Internet, or my lying eyes? /s It is Windows 11 that doesn't run on it.
blakebreeder 5y ago
Yeah, I don't feel that way at all about Linux and I daily drive it. Could you imagine our mothers troubleshooting any of the following things that have regularly happened to me on Linux in the last 5 years I've been daily driving it: * Hm, my sound stopped working. * Hm, dhcp stopped working. * X has completely failed to start. * This website just straight up doesn't load. * Thia game won't load (pretend it's solitaire). * This update broke my boot. * Seemingly doing nothing broke my boot. * This update broke my browser. * This application does not work without configuration. * My monitor layout is broken. Maybe things are better in Ubuntu land, but I doubt it's as seamless as Windows/Mac.
- goohle 5y ago
  My mom uses Fedora Linux for more than 15 years. She never saw any of that. I perform upgrades when necessary.
  - vetinari 5y ago
    Similarly, my parents are on Ubuntu LTS since 6.06 (not on the same computer, obviously), when I got tired with regular windows reinstallations. There have been exactly two problems: - "internet doesn't work" -> yanked ethernet cable. Later I made sure it cannot be easily yanked. - "printer doesn't print" -> classic inkjet problem with dried ink. Inkjet replaced with b/w laser. no problems since.

To add to the funny story, I have Ryzen 1900X on my desk (literally, the cpu in a small plastic box). Nowadays, those 8 Zen cores clocked at 3.8 GHz are not enough to run Windows, apparently.

chirau 5y ago
This is obviously not true. Which Windows can't you run on that?
- zdragnar 5y ago
  Does it meet 11's hardware requirements? I thought I had heard older Ryzens wouldn't- not from performance, but other chip features.
- metalliqaz 5y ago
  He's talking about the Windows 11 hardware requirements, which are very strict and only support the newest CPUs. However Windows 11 can be installed on the same hardware that runs Windows 10, it just won't allow you to upgrade. Otherwise it runs fine. Microsoft is basically turning Windows into what mobile OS's are: tightly controlled and requiring specific hardware to ensure a particular set of user expectations with their devices. In other words, it's becoming a laptop OS.
  - vetinari 5y ago
    > However Windows 11 can be installed on the same hardware that runs Windows 10, it just won't allow you to upgrade. It was not possible to either run the update assistant or boot from install media and install from there; both means said that the machine doesn't meet minimum requirements. They didn't even say which ones, just shown a generic link. Only the Health Check running under W10 said that it is the CPU.
- vetinari 5y ago
  Yeah, who should I believe, you, a random stranger on the Internet, or my lying eyes? /s It is Windows 11 that doesn't run on it.

blakebreeder 5y ago

Yeah, I don't feel that way at all about Linux and I daily drive it. Could you imagine our mothers troubleshooting any of the following things that have regularly happened to me on Linux in the last 5 years I've been daily driving it: * Hm, my sound stopped working. * Hm, dhcp stopped working. * X has completely failed to start. * This website just straight up doesn't load. * Thia game won't load (pretend it's solitaire). * This update broke my boot. * Seemingly doing nothing broke my boot. * This update broke my browser. * This application does not work without configuration. * My monitor layout is broken. Maybe things are better in Ubuntu land, but I doubt it's as seamless as Windows/Mac.

goohle 5y ago
My mom uses Fedora Linux for more than 15 years. She never saw any of that. I perform upgrades when necessary.
- vetinari 5y ago
  Similarly, my parents are on Ubuntu LTS since 6.06 (not on the same computer, obviously), when I got tired with regular windows reinstallations. There have been exactly two problems: - "internet doesn't work" -> yanked ethernet cable. Later I made sure it cannot be easily yanked. - "printer doesn't print" -> classic inkjet problem with dried ink. Inkjet replaced with b/w laser. no problems since.