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I just went back after 3 years of Ubuntu. Admittedly I am a dilettante but I never did anything very "hacky" and still ended up with a broken upgrade path, twi

I just went back after 3 years of Ubuntu. Admittedly I am a dilettante but I never did anything very "hacky" and still ended up with a broken upgrade path, twice. I can't have this in a work desktop machine. My employer gives zero f's about my privacy concerns.

vinceguidry 5y ago
This is why I moved to Arch. Debian rolling release is a good way to go as well.
- jeremyjh 5y ago
  After using Arch for years every other package manager enrages me because it is so hard to rollback/undo bad changes or to pin versions. I use MacOS for reasons but I still miss pacman :(
  - ryukafalz 5y ago
    You might like Nix or Guix. It's even easier to roll back bad changes there!
  - vinceguidry 5y ago
    My employer foists MacOS on me, I'm undeterred. VMware is worth the hassle.
- throwawayninja 5y ago
  I love Arch, and have always considered Debian + debian derivatives to be subpar because of packages + community issues. I need to go check out Debian rolling, never knew that existed. Could be a useful hybrid for coworkers who believe rolling releases break things often.
moritonal 5y ago
For what it's worth, I found Kubuntu to be a much simpler and cleaner alternative to Ubuntu.
inanutshellus 5y ago
I missed an upgrade cycle and didn't upgrade for like 18 months*. turns out EVERYTHING BREAKS. They actually delete the f'ing repos and you can't upgrade, you just get a wall of 404s. I understand the "We only to support on LTS releases" argument but I didn't think that meant "We actively sabotage our short-term releases". Huge huge huuuuge barrier for normies IMO. * FWIW, I didn't upgrade when it was prompted because I was "too busy sawing to sharpen my saw" so-to-speak. I was on a major project, have known video card issues with upgrading, and was worried I'd be unavailable for work for 3 days trying to fix my UI. So I waited until the next LTS to upgrade. Turns out you can't go from an old STS to the next LTS and you have to baby-step through the STS's ... which no longer exist. wtf. :pretend-this-is-a-flame-emoji:

vinceguidry 5y ago

This is why I moved to Arch. Debian rolling release is a good way to go as well.

jeremyjh 5y ago
After using Arch for years every other package manager enrages me because it is so hard to rollback/undo bad changes or to pin versions. I use MacOS for reasons but I still miss pacman :(
- ryukafalz 5y ago
  You might like Nix or Guix. It's even easier to roll back bad changes there!
- vinceguidry 5y ago
  My employer foists MacOS on me, I'm undeterred. VMware is worth the hassle.
throwawayninja 5y ago
I love Arch, and have always considered Debian + debian derivatives to be subpar because of packages + community issues. I need to go check out Debian rolling, never knew that existed. Could be a useful hybrid for coworkers who believe rolling releases break things often.

moritonal 5y ago

For what it's worth, I found Kubuntu to be a much simpler and cleaner alternative to Ubuntu.

inanutshellus 5y ago

I missed an upgrade cycle and didn't upgrade for like 18 months*. turns out EVERYTHING BREAKS. They actually delete the f'ing repos and you can't upgrade, you just get a wall of 404s. I understand the "We only to support on LTS releases" argument but I didn't think that meant "We actively sabotage our short-term releases". Huge huge huuuuge barrier for normies IMO. * FWIW, I didn't upgrade when it was prompted because I was "too busy sawing to sharpen my saw" so-to-speak. I was on a major project, have known video card issues with upgrading, and was worried I'd be unavailable for work for 3 days trying to fix my UI. So I waited until the next LTS to upgrade. Turns out you can't go from an old STS to the next LTS and you have to baby-step through the STS's ... which no longer exist. wtf. :pretend-this-is-a-flame-emoji: