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I think an easier approach is not to do anything incriminating on your phone.

ceejayoz 5y ago
Look, we live in a society where drywall dust can get you jailed for 90 days because the cops think it's drugs. https://www.wftv.com/news/local/powdered-drywall-mistaken-for-cocaine-lands-innocent-oviedo-man-behind-bars-for-90-days/541985256/ https://www.wftv.com/news/local/powdered-drywall-mistaken-fo...
- kingcharles 5y ago
  And powdered milk: https://www.channel3000.com/homeless-man-told-court-powdered-milk-was-cocaine/ https://www.channel3000.com/homeless-man-told-court-powdered...
titzer 5y ago
I for one, think we should not normalize a gestapo state and should absolutely push back on all forms of intrusion. Police have been caught planting drugs on suspects and it's really foolish to think they cannot plant digital evidence too.
LinuxBender 5y ago
True, but I accept the possibility that what is legal today may not be legal tomorrow and ignorance of the law is no excuse as they would say. I like having options.
celeduc 5y ago
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him."
delecti 5y ago
It's generally advised to not talk to the police because anything can potentially be incriminating. Given that, your advice effectively becomes "don't have/use a phone in the first place," and I don't fault someone who doesn't want to settle for that.
devmor 5y ago
Or - hear me out here - we could protect our reasonable expectation of privacy and not bend over.
NoSorryCannot 5y ago
If no one is testing the rights we're supposed to have, then it's unclear that we actually have them. Auditing should seem eminently sensible to all the engineers here.
SavantIdiot 5y ago
Hello privilege. "Incriminating" is whatever the man with the badge decides it is at that time. If you're aren't the right color, sex, orientation, or religion, you could be doing something considered incriminating by cops and courts in most of the US. It is a very red, conservative place outside of the cities.
- giantg2 5y ago
  Not sure why you had to add that last sentence. The prior statements can be true in cities or "blue" places too.
  - SavantIdiot 5y ago
    True, Portland, Ore. police department are documented white supremacists and clan sympathizers, and there's not many places bluer than PDX. But my last statement is 100% true. There's only one side in the corrupt police debate, regardless of your feelings of "both sides are the same". Show me where the liberal cops standing up for social justice and BLM are hiding, please, I'd love to live in that town.
    - giantg2 5y ago
      It's not about standing up for BLM. It's that there can be corrupt liberal cops, or cops supporting liberal ideals in a corrupt manner. One issue that this can be common with is gun rights - people lawfully carrying/owning a firearm who are harassed by police who support the liberal policies related to gun control. This has been a common thing in Philadelphia.
      - SavantIdiot 5y ago
        Stop it with the "both sides." Just stop. We're done with that after Trump's nonsense. There is a stark problem facing the US today, and you're trying to obfuscate it with bullshit talking points.
        5y ago
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Look, we live in a society where drywall dust can get you jailed for 90 days because the cops think it's drugs. https://www.wftv.com/news/local/powdered-drywall-mistaken-for-cocaine-lands-innocent-oviedo-man-behind-bars-for-90-days/541985256/ https://www.wftv.com/news/local/powdered-drywall-mistaken-fo...

kingcharles 5y ago
And powdered milk: https://www.channel3000.com/homeless-man-told-court-powdered-milk-was-cocaine/ https://www.channel3000.com/homeless-man-told-court-powdered...

titzer 5y ago

I for one, think we should not normalize a gestapo state and should absolutely push back on all forms of intrusion. Police have been caught planting drugs on suspects and it's really foolish to think they cannot plant digital evidence too.

LinuxBender 5y ago

True, but I accept the possibility that what is legal today may not be legal tomorrow and ignorance of the law is no excuse as they would say. I like having options.

celeduc 5y ago

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him."

delecti 5y ago

It's generally advised to not talk to the police because anything can potentially be incriminating. Given that, your advice effectively becomes "don't have/use a phone in the first place," and I don't fault someone who doesn't want to settle for that.

devmor 5y ago

Or - hear me out here - we could protect our reasonable expectation of privacy and not bend over.

NoSorryCannot 5y ago

If no one is testing the rights we're supposed to have, then it's unclear that we actually have them. Auditing should seem eminently sensible to all the engineers here.

SavantIdiot 5y ago

Hello privilege. "Incriminating" is whatever the man with the badge decides it is at that time. If you're aren't the right color, sex, orientation, or religion, you could be doing something considered incriminating by cops and courts in most of the US. It is a very red, conservative place outside of the cities.

giantg2 5y ago
Not sure why you had to add that last sentence. The prior statements can be true in cities or "blue" places too.
- SavantIdiot 5y ago
  True, Portland, Ore. police department are documented white supremacists and clan sympathizers, and there's not many places bluer than PDX. But my last statement is 100% true. There's only one side in the corrupt police debate, regardless of your feelings of "both sides are the same". Show me where the liberal cops standing up for social justice and BLM are hiding, please, I'd love to live in that town.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    It's not about standing up for BLM. It's that there can be corrupt liberal cops, or cops supporting liberal ideals in a corrupt manner. One issue that this can be common with is gun rights - people lawfully carrying/owning a firearm who are harassed by police who support the liberal policies related to gun control. This has been a common thing in Philadelphia.
    - SavantIdiot 5y ago
      Stop it with the "both sides." Just stop. We're done with that after Trump's nonsense. There is a stark problem facing the US today, and you're trying to obfuscate it with bullshit talking points.
      - 5y ago

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