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The Korean Confederation of Trade Unions are known for their thuggish ways. They frequently resort to violence, harassment and coerce all those that stand in t

by treme 5y ago

The Korean Confederation of Trade Unions are known for their thuggish ways. They frequently resort to violence, harassment and coerce all those that stand in their agenda. within last year, they harassed a manager of delivery logistics company to commit suicide (specified and detailed harassment he faced on his will), cut off fuel valve of a delivery truck for not participating in their strike, and beat up a strike breaker. The young worker demographic aren't keen to their ways, as exemplified by recent strike & protest of starbucks workers refusing help from KCTU when they volunteered to 'unite' in protest efforts. https://news.v.daum.net/v/20210923195947254 https://news.v.daum.net/v/20210923195947254 https://www.edunctn.com/mobile/article.html?no=16927 https://www.edunctn.com/mobile/article.html?no=16927 https://www.chosun.com/national/labor/2021/09/17/ORHL7BDIABD5NAD22CHYAO6REY/ https://www.chosun.com/national/labor/2021/09/17/ORHL7BDIABD... https://m.khan.co.kr/national/national-general/article/202110091630001 https://m.khan.co.kr/national/national-general/article/20211...

0max 5y ago
So did the teamsters and Jimmy Hoffa back when Nixon debased the gold standard and unions needed a workaround for the Federal monopoly on violence. (see "I Heard You Paint Houses")
uabstraction 5y ago
The capitalist class on the other hand is famously innocent of thuggery. It's not like the established socioeconomic relations in Korea were incubated under a military dictatorship or anything.
throwaway-x123 5y ago
Imagine anger when you live in poverty, you work 9 hours/day (minimum, from workweek in Korea) manual labor, some people at work die or get disabilities in work accidents. As a worker you know that everyone lives from surplus you produce, the food, etc, programmers do not make food. You can only do programming since they made food for you. So as a worker, you know you do something useful, right? So you deiced to talk with your boss, you told him all this and ask for better working conditions, little less working time, etc. He fires you. On the next job, you try to not make the same mistake, you organize collectively and strike. But this time, government use force to stop the strike and kills someone of your friends. Not surprising that some workers will be very angry.
- refurb 5y ago
  Are you arguing driving someone to suicide is then justified in the struggle for labor rights? I’m trying to understand the point you are making?
  - throwaway-x123 5y ago
    I'm trying to explain where the anger comes from. Why do you blame the workers and not the conditions where this anger developed?
    - refurb 5y ago
      I’m not sure any conditions justify driving someone to suicide?
      - grp000 5y ago
        He's saying the strikes are justified.
  - mvc 5y ago
    Can we blame a manager for the suicides of burned out workers?
- agumonkey 5y ago
  I took a morning (4am-8am) paper delivery gig, and had to "serve" rich people in big mansion, complaining they couldn't have their journal on time for a sweet breakfast coffee because you didn't dare cross a boulevard due to high speed truck driving your ways.. you get angry super fast. I'm a french dude, left leaning.. beheading is big in our history books yet it's the first time I felt that rage against higher classes. Serious shocker.

by treme 5y ago

0max 5y ago

So did the teamsters and Jimmy Hoffa back when Nixon debased the gold standard and unions needed a workaround for the Federal monopoly on violence. (see "I Heard You Paint Houses")

uabstraction 5y ago

The capitalist class on the other hand is famously innocent of thuggery. It's not like the established socioeconomic relations in Korea were incubated under a military dictatorship or anything.

throwaway-x123 5y ago

Imagine anger when you live in poverty, you work 9 hours/day (minimum, from workweek in Korea) manual labor, some people at work die or get disabilities in work accidents. As a worker you know that everyone lives from surplus you produce, the food, etc, programmers do not make food. You can only do programming since they made food for you. So as a worker, you know you do something useful, right? So you deiced to talk with your boss, you told him all this and ask for better working conditions, little less working time, etc. He fires you. On the next job, you try to not make the same mistake, you organize collectively and strike. But this time, government use force to stop the strike and kills someone of your friends. Not surprising that some workers will be very angry.

refurb 5y ago
Are you arguing driving someone to suicide is then justified in the struggle for labor rights? I’m trying to understand the point you are making?
- throwaway-x123 5y ago
  I'm trying to explain where the anger comes from. Why do you blame the workers and not the conditions where this anger developed?
  - refurb 5y ago
    I’m not sure any conditions justify driving someone to suicide?
    - grp000 5y ago
      He's saying the strikes are justified.
- mvc 5y ago
  Can we blame a manager for the suicides of burned out workers?
agumonkey 5y ago
I took a morning (4am-8am) paper delivery gig, and had to "serve" rich people in big mansion, complaining they couldn't have their journal on time for a sweet breakfast coffee because you didn't dare cross a boulevard due to high speed truck driving your ways.. you get angry super fast. I'm a french dude, left leaning.. beheading is big in our history books yet it's the first time I felt that rage against higher classes. Serious shocker.