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> And it really appears to be a Facebook problem. Instagram for Kids wasn’t the fever dream of a deranged Instagrammer Two things to unpack here. its not a fa

> And it really appears to be a Facebook problem. Instagram for Kids wasn’t the fever dream of a deranged Instagrammer Two things to unpack here. its not a facebook problem. its a problem that exists in many large companies. Apple for example doesn't give a shit about individuals. (you can see that if you slip off any of the predefined support pathways) _everyone_ to google is just a thing to evaluated and advertised to. They are literally storing your every move and using to sell adverts, services and the like (how do you think they manage the "x is busy now, try later"?) TikTok has literally hoovered up most of the 9-18 year olds, they even say as much when they try and pitch to advertisers. its the wild west on there, with all sorts of nasties flying around Snapchat's USP is nudes & bullying, regardless of age. Amazon: knowingly hawks fakes, dangerous and poor quality products, shamelessly copies and undercuts producers. But they have "free deliveries" and free returns, so its all ok. There is nothing unusual about facebook, its just nobody likes them, and its fashionable to not like them. Now to the point: instagram for kids. A fucking stupid idea. There was no possible way it could end good, even if it was perfect. I imagine the thought process was: the kids are flocking to tiktok, we need them on facebook's platform. We are able to protect them better than snap/tiktok/other because we (facebook) have better controls than the rest. We also have some of them on instagram already, its better to make something for them, rather than having them there illicitly. that isn't evil, its just hopelessly naive.

fnord77 5y ago
> Apple for example doesn't give a shit about individuals. I don't think that's true. Jobs cared deeply about giving his users the best possible experience.
- KaiserPro 5y ago
  > Jobs cared deeply about giving his users the best possible experience. that may be, but apple the company is secretive, excessively arrogant, and very willing to cut people off, should they cause a problem. jobs himself was an effective leader, but he was fundamentally a top class bellend of a person. Zuckerberg is dull and predictable by comparison
bambax 5y ago
Agreed. Companies are all "evil" in that they exploit people for profit. What about cigarette makers? Or Monsanto? Does anyone think those companies care about people? Oil companies conspired for decades to hide the fact that their product directly destroys, not just their customers, not just some specific category of people, but the whole planet. Maybe because tech companies were founded and run by young guys, there was some hope that they would be different. Well, they aren't. It's true that Facebook is in a class of its own, but that's because of its size and power; not because of its unique "evilness".
tester34 5y ago
>(how do you think they manage the "x is busy now, try later"?) what is this?
- KaiserPro 5y ago
  when you search for a company, and google plots the company/thing on a map, it often has a histogram showing how busy the place is over time.
0x4d464d48 5y ago
"There is nothing unusual about facebook, its just nobody likes them, and its fashionable to not like them." You forgot to include 'completely understandable to not like them'.

fnord77 5y ago

> Apple for example doesn't give a shit about individuals. I don't think that's true. Jobs cared deeply about giving his users the best possible experience.

KaiserPro 5y ago
> Jobs cared deeply about giving his users the best possible experience. that may be, but apple the company is secretive, excessively arrogant, and very willing to cut people off, should they cause a problem. jobs himself was an effective leader, but he was fundamentally a top class bellend of a person. Zuckerberg is dull and predictable by comparison

bambax 5y ago

Agreed. Companies are all "evil" in that they exploit people for profit. What about cigarette makers? Or Monsanto? Does anyone think those companies care about people? Oil companies conspired for decades to hide the fact that their product directly destroys, not just their customers, not just some specific category of people, but the whole planet. Maybe because tech companies were founded and run by young guys, there was some hope that they would be different. Well, they aren't. It's true that Facebook is in a class of its own, but that's because of its size and power; not because of its unique "evilness".

tester34 5y ago

>(how do you think they manage the "x is busy now, try later"?) what is this?

KaiserPro 5y ago
when you search for a company, and google plots the company/thing on a map, it often has a histogram showing how busy the place is over time.

0x4d464d48 5y ago

"There is nothing unusual about facebook, its just nobody likes them, and its fashionable to not like them." You forgot to include 'completely understandable to not like them'.