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Because letting people do whatever they want is not even on the radar of these bureaucrats.
by vadfa 5y ago
Because letting people do whatever they want is not even on the radar of these bureaucrats.
- wongarsu 5y agoLet the religious people do whatever they want or the animal rights activists?
- vadfa 5y agoThe former obviously. The latter are the ones who want to restrict the freedoms of others.
- wongarsu 5y agoThe latter would argue that the former are violating the animal's right to a pain-free death.
- vadfa 5y agoAnimals are... animals.
- wongarsu 5y agoI guess it comes down to whether you think of animals as soulless automata or as beings with conscious thought and emotions, worthy of (some amount of) empathy. And while I can't say much about sheep, in the last ~50 years we have found that some kind of animals are remarkably far on the latter side
- bobthechef 5y agoRight? You can argue that it is immoral for a human being to inflict needless suffering on animals, but I don’t know where right enter the picture. Ever watch a nature show? You think the alligator tearing pieces off a living zebra is violating the rights of the zebra? Or even that it’s immoral for it to do so?
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- blix 5y agoI don't understand the obsession with the 'pain-free' death. Surely the animal feels something in all slaughter methods, and either way it's getting killed and eaten. Frankly unless you have even been slaughtered by a Jewish butcher, how can you truly judge how much pain the animal feels? Besides, most people have experienced a cut by a sharp edge where they don't feel pain or even realize they are bleeding for some time. This is actually a goal of Jewish and Halal butchering methods. And frankly, I'm not sure attempting to perform some 'pain-free' slaughter via impersonal machine is more humane than having another sentient being in close proximity to the animal perform the act. Modern factory slaughter is humane in the same sense a drone strike is humane.
- FDSGSG 5y ago>Surely the animal feels something in all slaughter methods So you really believe that every level of "feeling something" is the same?
- blix 5y agoOf course not, but I kinda feel like this discussion is splitting hairs. If you accept that killing and eating another being is fine, as long as you aren't going out of your way to cause excessive pain I don't think it's a problem. And I kinda feel like the difference between factory farming and pasture farming probably has a larger suffering delta than industial slauighterhouses vs Jewish butchers. But for whatever reason people don't care all that much.
- PKop 5y agoYes, freedom should be restricted, and it is in many ways already and for good reason.
- ekianjo 5y agoBleedind animals to death is not remotely something that is linked to private sphere of freedom.
- dariosalvi78 5y agoFreedom of making animals suffer? I think I'll side with bureaucrats here
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