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> the CCP is organizing scholarly conferences and asking researchers to look for the root causes of the demographic problem. What a proactive approach. I wish

> the CCP is organizing scholarly conferences and asking researchers to look for the root causes of the demographic problem. What a proactive approach. I wish Western governments emulated it.

N0tAThr0wAway 5y ago
>What a proactive approach. I wish Western governments emulated it. They have. They've decided that importing the entire third world into the West is the only solution. The West as we've known it for 2000 years won't make it past 2100 due to this demographic shift. There is no turning back, there is no undoing what has been done. Europeans and White people are the only shrinking demographic in their home countries.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  > The West as we've known it for 2000 years won't make it past 2100 due to this demographic shift. Wonder what the Native Americans think about the “West” they knew for 2,000 years. Or anyone who has read the history of the Americas would know.
  - N0tAThr0wAway 5y ago
    >Wonder what the Native Americans think about the “West” they knew for 2,000 years. Or anyone who has read the history of the Americas would know. You're literally proving my point. Looking at what happened to Native Americans is one of the best examples why illegal immigration and importing backwards/conflicting cultures is detrimental. I wonder if there were bleeding heart leftists among the Native American population that were pro importing more and more Europeans. "They will only bring us strength! Look at all the great things they're bringing!"
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      I was under the impression you were claiming the “West” had not changed in 2,000 years. It does not really matter though. Change is the only constant. My preferred strategy would be to implement policies that keep bringing in desirable future citizens that continue to give out tribe an economic edge. Not sure why we do not hand STEM graduates (at least Masters and PhDs) green cards with their diploma.
      - N0tAThr0wAway 5y ago
        "The West" roughly means Europe/Western culture/world [0]. Everywhere has always had some level of change always, but there has never been a demographic and cultural decline alongside a wholesale importation of backwards cultures like the one we're seeing in Europe. >My preferred strategy would be to implement policies that keep bringing in desirable future citizens that continue to give out tribe an economic edge. That's exactly what's causing this decline. For the capitalist class, importing cheap labor that will not align with the prevailing culture is EXACTLY what they want. > Not sure why we do not hand STEM graduates (at least Masters and PhDs) green cards with their diploma. Not sure why we don't grow our own people organically versus replacing them with immigrants from backwards countries and cultures. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world
        KptMarchewa 5y ago
        >Not sure why we don't grow our own people organically versus replacing them with immigrants from backwards countries and cultures. Because there's a risk they turn out like you, instead of being a desirable citizen.
        N0tAThr0wAway 5y ago
        >Because there's a risk they turn out like you, instead of being a desirable citizen. You're exactly right. Citizens that fund the government, created the inventions of the Western world that have revealed the world onto itself, can think for themselves and don't want to fall off the cliff like lemmings are no longer "desirable citizens". We need NPC leftists that will continue to support the fall of their culture, country, and lifestyles! To you "desirable citizen" is a baizou [0]. [0] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Baizuo https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Baizuo
      - nsonha 5y ago
        > Not sure why we do not hand STEM graduates (at least Masters and PhDs) green cards you don't want to create incentives for people to get into academia for reasons other than interest in academia. From what I've heard (not a scientist), science is in crisis with the rise of bogus researchs & paper mills. I think transerable work visa should be good enough for security. Once they have establishes a career in a few years, they should be able to get green card via some sort of point system or employer sponsorship.
- evgen 5y ago
  If 'the West' is primarily made up of people who think like you then good riddance. OTOH, the rest of us are adaptable and curious. We like new cultural synthesis; new immigrants are a source of fun new restaurants, new media/arts, and new ideas to explore. People have been sounding the call of '[People who look different] are coming! Our culture is doomed!' for mellennia, and thankfully we learn not to cares what they think. We will keep progressing and leave them to stew in their ignorance and spite. For more than 2000 years people complained about the barbarians invading, but once we learn to ignore the shrill cries of alarm we look around and the barbarians are nowhere to be seen, just a bunch of new citizens with interesting new ideas.
  - N0tAThr0wAway 5y ago
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    - evgen 5y ago
      > The majority of the world is made up of people like like me. No, it really isn't. You are a rather pathetic troll account trying to amuse us I guess, but I have seen better work from the 4chan crowd. Your limited understanding of history and current politics is not even worth engaging in. Enjoy being wrong and no one really caring.
      - N0tAThr0wAway 5y ago
        >No, it really isn't. Yes, it really is. Soyboy leftists like yourself are an exceedingly small population stuck in a bubble. Most of the world is OK with having a home land for their people. >You are a rather pathetic troll account trying to amuse us I guess So pathetic that you just can't help but get triggered by the facts. >but I have seen better work from the 4chan crowd We all have, but I don't have to be near as crafty to work here. Thanks for the compliment. >Your limited understanding of history and current politics Full understanding of history and politics, even if they'rr against the narrative you mean. >Enjoy being wrong Projection because deep inside you know I'm right, that's what bugs you. >no one really caring. Yet here you are, caring LOLOLOL.
- AIorNot 5y ago
  Trump supporter? People have been migrating and integrating since the dawn of humanity… civilization still survives fine and in fact thrives and evolves as new cultures develop. It’s your tribal fear mongering that is the primary cause of concern to me. Countries, ethnicities and national boundaries shift with the times, ease of migration and economic trends. The world has 7.9 billion people in it, so the fate of the “whites” as a race is of little concern to humanity…
  - N0tAThr0wAway 5y ago
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    - clejack 5y ago
      Your posts have been wild, but the last statement here is the biggest stretch of all. There's a difference between actively eliminating a group of people, and that same group of people choosing not to have kids due to the requirements of "success" in their own culture. Even though I don't agree with you in the slightest, I somewhat sympathize with you simply because I think you truly believe your perception is a reflection of reality as the saying goes. When it feels like the world is against you or apathetic towards you, that's a terrible thing. Let me preface my point with this. I'm not white, but I am 'Western' culturally speaking. Unlike you seem to be able to do, I can acknowledge the flaw of western culture and still appreciate the positives like scientific and technological progress. Ultimately, this is the truth of the matter. For centuries, Western European cultures have actively sought conquest of new frontiers with wealth and power being the two primary motivators. This set the stage for our modern trade network, technology, and capacity for migration. The decision makers did not ask or care about the endgame of this activity, though. As wealth grew for the western world, it also grew for its average citizen, and like a drug, we have grown addicted to wealth. White populations are in decline because they were one of the first groups to largely achieve the manifestation of the idea that "Anyone can be (financially) successful" In the modern world, if your job doesn't pay you well enough, the only ways to maintain this success are to not have kids, have less kids or have kids later. You maintain this success culturally by making sure the few kids you do have know to follow the same line of reasoning. Surely you aren't going to suggest that native non whites are forcefully suppressing white births? Or that immigrants are doing the same? If you removed the immigrant or brown factor, you'd have the same situation as Japan with an aging population and no one to replace it. The culture that led you to your current state, is also the culture that will be your undoing. I don't know what the solution is, but it's very clear that when financial success is the primary goal of individuals and infinite growth is the primary goal of governments and other institutions, population decline follows. Growth can always be greater, but the amount of time in a day grows ever shorter, and limits of human physical and mental stamina has a hard ceiling.

> the CCP is organizing scholarly conferences and asking researchers to look for the root causes of the demographic problem. What a proactive approach. I wish Western governments emulated it.

N0tAThr0wAway 5y ago

>What a proactive approach. I wish Western governments emulated it. They have. They've decided that importing the entire third world into the West is the only solution. The West as we've known it for 2000 years won't make it past 2100 due to this demographic shift. There is no turning back, there is no undoing what has been done. Europeans and White people are the only shrinking demographic in their home countries.

lotsofpulp 5y ago
> The West as we've known it for 2000 years won't make it past 2100 due to this demographic shift. Wonder what the Native Americans think about the “West” they knew for 2,000 years. Or anyone who has read the history of the Americas would know.
- N0tAThr0wAway 5y ago
  >Wonder what the Native Americans think about the “West” they knew for 2,000 years. Or anyone who has read the history of the Americas would know. You're literally proving my point. Looking at what happened to Native Americans is one of the best examples why illegal immigration and importing backwards/conflicting cultures is detrimental. I wonder if there were bleeding heart leftists among the Native American population that were pro importing more and more Europeans. "They will only bring us strength! Look at all the great things they're bringing!"
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    I was under the impression you were claiming the “West” had not changed in 2,000 years. It does not really matter though. Change is the only constant. My preferred strategy would be to implement policies that keep bringing in desirable future citizens that continue to give out tribe an economic edge. Not sure why we do not hand STEM graduates (at least Masters and PhDs) green cards with their diploma.
    - N0tAThr0wAway 5y ago
      "The West" roughly means Europe/Western culture/world [0]. Everywhere has always had some level of change always, but there has never been a demographic and cultural decline alongside a wholesale importation of backwards cultures like the one we're seeing in Europe. >My preferred strategy would be to implement policies that keep bringing in desirable future citizens that continue to give out tribe an economic edge. That's exactly what's causing this decline. For the capitalist class, importing cheap labor that will not align with the prevailing culture is EXACTLY what they want. > Not sure why we do not hand STEM graduates (at least Masters and PhDs) green cards with their diploma. Not sure why we don't grow our own people organically versus replacing them with immigrants from backwards countries and cultures. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world
      - KptMarchewa 5y ago
        >Not sure why we don't grow our own people organically versus replacing them with immigrants from backwards countries and cultures. Because there's a risk they turn out like you, instead of being a desirable citizen.
        N0tAThr0wAway 5y ago
        >Because there's a risk they turn out like you, instead of being a desirable citizen. You're exactly right. Citizens that fund the government, created the inventions of the Western world that have revealed the world onto itself, can think for themselves and don't want to fall off the cliff like lemmings are no longer "desirable citizens". We need NPC leftists that will continue to support the fall of their culture, country, and lifestyles! To you "desirable citizen" is a baizou [0]. [0] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Baizuo https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Baizuo
    - nsonha 5y ago
      > Not sure why we do not hand STEM graduates (at least Masters and PhDs) green cards you don't want to create incentives for people to get into academia for reasons other than interest in academia. From what I've heard (not a scientist), science is in crisis with the rise of bogus researchs & paper mills. I think transerable work visa should be good enough for security. Once they have establishes a career in a few years, they should be able to get green card via some sort of point system or employer sponsorship.
evgen 5y ago
If 'the West' is primarily made up of people who think like you then good riddance. OTOH, the rest of us are adaptable and curious. We like new cultural synthesis; new immigrants are a source of fun new restaurants, new media/arts, and new ideas to explore. People have been sounding the call of '[People who look different] are coming! Our culture is doomed!' for mellennia, and thankfully we learn not to cares what they think. We will keep progressing and leave them to stew in their ignorance and spite. For more than 2000 years people complained about the barbarians invading, but once we learn to ignore the shrill cries of alarm we look around and the barbarians are nowhere to be seen, just a bunch of new citizens with interesting new ideas.
- N0tAThr0wAway 5y ago
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  - evgen 5y ago
    > The majority of the world is made up of people like like me. No, it really isn't. You are a rather pathetic troll account trying to amuse us I guess, but I have seen better work from the 4chan crowd. Your limited understanding of history and current politics is not even worth engaging in. Enjoy being wrong and no one really caring.
    - N0tAThr0wAway 5y ago
      >No, it really isn't. Yes, it really is. Soyboy leftists like yourself are an exceedingly small population stuck in a bubble. Most of the world is OK with having a home land for their people. >You are a rather pathetic troll account trying to amuse us I guess So pathetic that you just can't help but get triggered by the facts. >but I have seen better work from the 4chan crowd We all have, but I don't have to be near as crafty to work here. Thanks for the compliment. >Your limited understanding of history and current politics Full understanding of history and politics, even if they'rr against the narrative you mean. >Enjoy being wrong Projection because deep inside you know I'm right, that's what bugs you. >no one really caring. Yet here you are, caring LOLOLOL.
AIorNot 5y ago
Trump supporter? People have been migrating and integrating since the dawn of humanity… civilization still survives fine and in fact thrives and evolves as new cultures develop. It’s your tribal fear mongering that is the primary cause of concern to me. Countries, ethnicities and national boundaries shift with the times, ease of migration and economic trends. The world has 7.9 billion people in it, so the fate of the “whites” as a race is of little concern to humanity…
- N0tAThr0wAway 5y ago
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  - clejack 5y ago
    Your posts have been wild, but the last statement here is the biggest stretch of all. There's a difference between actively eliminating a group of people, and that same group of people choosing not to have kids due to the requirements of "success" in their own culture. Even though I don't agree with you in the slightest, I somewhat sympathize with you simply because I think you truly believe your perception is a reflection of reality as the saying goes. When it feels like the world is against you or apathetic towards you, that's a terrible thing. Let me preface my point with this. I'm not white, but I am 'Western' culturally speaking. Unlike you seem to be able to do, I can acknowledge the flaw of western culture and still appreciate the positives like scientific and technological progress. Ultimately, this is the truth of the matter. For centuries, Western European cultures have actively sought conquest of new frontiers with wealth and power being the two primary motivators. This set the stage for our modern trade network, technology, and capacity for migration. The decision makers did not ask or care about the endgame of this activity, though. As wealth grew for the western world, it also grew for its average citizen, and like a drug, we have grown addicted to wealth. White populations are in decline because they were one of the first groups to largely achieve the manifestation of the idea that "Anyone can be (financially) successful" In the modern world, if your job doesn't pay you well enough, the only ways to maintain this success are to not have kids, have less kids or have kids later. You maintain this success culturally by making sure the few kids you do have know to follow the same line of reasoning. Surely you aren't going to suggest that native non whites are forcefully suppressing white births? Or that immigrants are doing the same? If you removed the immigrant or brown factor, you'd have the same situation as Japan with an aging population and no one to replace it. The culture that led you to your current state, is also the culture that will be your undoing. I don't know what the solution is, but it's very clear that when financial success is the primary goal of individuals and infinite growth is the primary goal of governments and other institutions, population decline follows. Growth can always be greater, but the amount of time in a day grows ever shorter, and limits of human physical and mental stamina has a hard ceiling.