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I am very pro vaccine but absolutely against mandates. Bodily autonomy is a fundamental civil liberty and constitutional right (as the ACLU previously asserted)

I am very pro vaccine but absolutely against mandates. Bodily autonomy is a fundamental civil liberty and constitutional right (as the ACLU previously asserted). Discrimination based on medical or health status is unacceptable. It is also illogical to institute such a mandate: COVID-19 has a very low IFR, and vaccines aren’t perfect. When comparing the risks with and without vaccination, we are talking about two low probability but nonzero risks. If people are scared, they need to take measures to protect or quarantine themselves, not demand that everyone else undergo a medical procedure against their will. Lastly, it is dangerous for cities like Chicago and Seattle, who are grappling with surging crime and a shortage of police officers, to risk further crime by losing trained and experienced police staff.

ecf 5y ago
> Discrimination based on medical or health status is unacceptable. Weird take when vaccine mandates have been a normal part of life for decades.
- throwawaysea 5y ago
  Sort of. They have been in force in some states for some applications (like K-12 schools) for some vaccines. Many of those states have also had broad exemptions for philosophical or religious reasons (https://vaccines.procon.org/state-vaccination-exemptions-for-children-entering-public-schools/ https://vaccines.procon.org/state-vaccination-exemptions-for...). But we haven't had a federal mandate for vaccination across the board (in public agencies, private companies, events, stores, schools, universities, etc), especially without exemptions. Even with that precedent, I feel the Jacbosen ruling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts) which enabled vaccine mandates was an incorrect one and that autonomy over one's physical body is the most basic level of civil liberty. The ACLU also agreed previously and pushed back on vaccine mandates (https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/privacy/pemic_report.pdf https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/privacy/pemic_...), although the more recent ACLU supports vaccine mandates and treats civil liberties as a gray area rather than a principled right.
  - nielsbot 5y ago
    But do you have a right to any job you want?

ecf 5y ago

> Discrimination based on medical or health status is unacceptable. Weird take when vaccine mandates have been a normal part of life for decades.

throwawaysea 5y ago
Sort of. They have been in force in some states for some applications (like K-12 schools) for some vaccines. Many of those states have also had broad exemptions for philosophical or religious reasons (https://vaccines.procon.org/state-vaccination-exemptions-for-children-entering-public-schools/ https://vaccines.procon.org/state-vaccination-exemptions-for...). But we haven't had a federal mandate for vaccination across the board (in public agencies, private companies, events, stores, schools, universities, etc), especially without exemptions. Even with that precedent, I feel the Jacbosen ruling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts) which enabled vaccine mandates was an incorrect one and that autonomy over one's physical body is the most basic level of civil liberty. The ACLU also agreed previously and pushed back on vaccine mandates (https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/privacy/pemic_report.pdf https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/privacy/pemic_...), although the more recent ACLU supports vaccine mandates and treats civil liberties as a gray area rather than a principled right.
- nielsbot 5y ago
  But do you have a right to any job you want?