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Visual studio is anything but legacy and I haven't found anything better. Where does the future lie?

Angius 5y ago
VS is great for desktop apps since it has the designer and some other tooling, but for everything else Rider is miles ahead, in my opinion. Especially when it comes to web. Visual Studio still dies of stroke as soon as someone dares whisper the word "razor" in its vicinity, while Rider has no problem understanding Razor templates and providing full autocompletion. Not to mention Rider is just straight out snappier. And has integrated terminal without any need for extensions.
- vyrotek 5y ago
  Unfortunately, I need SQL Project support before I can ever consider switching to Rider. I could almost move to VSCode for everything but MS refuses to implement nested files. Currently I do prefer writing C# in VS though.
atraac 5y ago
IMO - Rider. It's way better with its autocomplete, refactoring, renames, code completion, debugging, 3rd party code navigation, overall responsiveness. I've switched and I feel physically disabled whenever I have to do something in Visual Studio again. The only thing that is lacking in Rider is Azure support(plugin is meh), but I don't really use that anymore, we have CI/CD for that.
- tluyben2 5y ago
  I try Rider ever so often but what specs are your system; it is basically unusable after I load one of our bigger projects... My m1 16gb just grinds to halt and before I had a beefy thinkpad with 32gb and that stalled completely too. While VS has no issue at all.
  - atraac 5y ago
    I have a 16gb Surface Book 2 at work and a personal high specced Dell XPS 9570, both are perfectly fine, even with quite big solutions. Rider has fairly long startup because it's indexing _everything_(this is why code completion is so good) but other than that it is perfectly fluid to work with. With VS(2019) Roslynator worked fine but solution would also take a lot of time to load. I have more issues with Teams than any IDE to be honest.
  - moogly 5y ago
    I've heard JetBrains' IDEs have had performance problems on macOS forever from Mac users (is it because of the Java?). They work great on Windows and Linux in my experience.
  - spacentropy 5y ago
    Have you tried Rider for Apple Silicon? You can grab a preview here https://rider-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/articles/4401925025810 https://rider-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/articles/440192...
  - jen20 5y ago
    Are you sure you’re running a native ARM build of Rider? And how are you running _Visual Studio_ (not VS Code) on an M1-equipped machine?
- tester34 5y ago
  Did you use Roslynator and Codemaid extensions? both are free and lighter than Resharper. Almost always when somebody shits on Visual Studio s/he either uses C++ (and there's significant difference apparently between C++ and C#) or used it with Resharper, or without any extension/addon at all. Just try Roslynator if you haven't used it yet.
  - atraac 5y ago
    I did use Roslynator. It helps with clunkiness of VS and gives you some refactorings but it felt far from Rider. Roslynator also doesn't fix abysmal code autocompletion. Even after the 'AI autocompletion' that VS introduced like 2-3 years ago, it was always just bad, classes you actually want to use are so far down I found myself typing whole class names by hand anyway.
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aliswe 5y ago
ever tried razor auto indent? the nuget pm ux? ...

VS is great for desktop apps since it has the designer and some other tooling, but for everything else Rider is miles ahead, in my opinion. Especially when it comes to web. Visual Studio still dies of stroke as soon as someone dares whisper the word "razor" in its vicinity, while Rider has no problem understanding Razor templates and providing full autocompletion. Not to mention Rider is just straight out snappier. And has integrated terminal without any need for extensions.

vyrotek 5y ago
Unfortunately, I need SQL Project support before I can ever consider switching to Rider. I could almost move to VSCode for everything but MS refuses to implement nested files. Currently I do prefer writing C# in VS though.

atraac 5y ago

IMO - Rider. It's way better with its autocomplete, refactoring, renames, code completion, debugging, 3rd party code navigation, overall responsiveness. I've switched and I feel physically disabled whenever I have to do something in Visual Studio again. The only thing that is lacking in Rider is Azure support(plugin is meh), but I don't really use that anymore, we have CI/CD for that.

tluyben2 5y ago
I try Rider ever so often but what specs are your system; it is basically unusable after I load one of our bigger projects... My m1 16gb just grinds to halt and before I had a beefy thinkpad with 32gb and that stalled completely too. While VS has no issue at all.
- atraac 5y ago
  I have a 16gb Surface Book 2 at work and a personal high specced Dell XPS 9570, both are perfectly fine, even with quite big solutions. Rider has fairly long startup because it's indexing _everything_(this is why code completion is so good) but other than that it is perfectly fluid to work with. With VS(2019) Roslynator worked fine but solution would also take a lot of time to load. I have more issues with Teams than any IDE to be honest.
- moogly 5y ago
  I've heard JetBrains' IDEs have had performance problems on macOS forever from Mac users (is it because of the Java?). They work great on Windows and Linux in my experience.
- spacentropy 5y ago
  Have you tried Rider for Apple Silicon? You can grab a preview here https://rider-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/articles/4401925025810 https://rider-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/articles/440192...
- jen20 5y ago
  Are you sure you’re running a native ARM build of Rider? And how are you running _Visual Studio_ (not VS Code) on an M1-equipped machine?
tester34 5y ago
Did you use Roslynator and Codemaid extensions? both are free and lighter than Resharper. Almost always when somebody shits on Visual Studio s/he either uses C++ (and there's significant difference apparently between C++ and C#) or used it with Resharper, or without any extension/addon at all. Just try Roslynator if you haven't used it yet.
- atraac 5y ago
  I did use Roslynator. It helps with clunkiness of VS and gives you some refactorings but it felt far from Rider. Roslynator also doesn't fix abysmal code autocompletion. Even after the 'AI autocompletion' that VS introduced like 2-3 years ago, it was always just bad, classes you actually want to use are so far down I found myself typing whole class names by hand anyway.
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aliswe 5y ago

ever tried razor auto indent? the nuget pm ux? ...