I think there is an inevitable trade off between getting stuff done in a corrupt way, and not being corrupt but being unable to get stuff done. And I would arg

I think there is an inevitable trade off between getting stuff done in a corrupt way, and not being corrupt but being unable to get stuff done. And I would argue that historically you see this. Saudi Arabia modernized with a lot of corruption. The US modernized with a lot of corruption -- the period of American industrialization and modernization was called "The Gilded Age". Now there are huge bureaucratic processes, checks and balances, all sorts of oversight -- and it's extremely hard to get anything done.