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Battery swap stations are never going to happen. They make up too much of the cost of the vehicle. Maybe in government public transport fleets or something.

clouddrover 5y ago
Battery swap stations have happened. NIO has done over 4 million battery swaps: https://www.carscoops.com/2021/09/nio-customers-have-performed-over-4-million-battery-swaps-with-their-evs/ https://www.carscoops.com/2021/09/nio-customers-have-perform... NIO is expanding their battery swap stations to Europe: https://www.carscoops.com/2021/10/nio-brings-battery-swapping-to-europe-as-they-launch-es8-suv-and-open-first-nio-house-in-norway/ https://www.carscoops.com/2021/10/nio-brings-battery-swappin... Gogoro has done over 200 million battery swaps: https://www.gogoro.com/news/400k-gogoro-network-subscribers/ https://www.gogoro.com/news/400k-gogoro-network-subscribers/ Gogoro is expanding their battery swap network: https://thedriven.io/2021/10/12/taiwans-gogoro-launches-battery-swapping-stations-in-mainland-china/ https://thedriven.io/2021/10/12/taiwans-gogoro-launches-batt...
- panick21 5y ago
  How many % of overall EV are refueled by battery swapping? That is actually a better indicator then saying X company has performed X swaps. Its probably like 0.0001%. Compare the amount of swap station to the amount of fast chargers. Battery swap is niche of niche of a niche for cars. Gogoro is for scooters, I think its pretty clear we were talking about cars.
  - clouddrover 5y ago
    So it started as "battery swap stations will never happen" but now it's having a whinge that they're not more widely used, and you're not even the person I was replying to. Still, this kind of back-pedaling and goalpost shifting is entertaining.
    - panick21 5y ago
      > you're not even the person I was replying So, this is normal on HN. > So it started as "battery swap stations will never happen" but now it's having a whinge that they're not more widely used What are you even talking about? Nobody accept you is "whinging" about anything. The fact is 99% of EV companies have decided against battery swapping. What does that tell you?
      - clouddrover 5y ago
        It tells me that you're not very knowledgeable about EVs and you don't know what you're talking about. Here's another company rolling out battery swap stations: https://insideevs.com/news/537787/geely-battery-swapping-stations-2025/ https://insideevs.com/news/537787/geely-battery-swapping-sta... But I would like to be entertained by some more whining from you. Here's a company rolling out wireless charging support: https://insideevs.com/news/538850/genesis-gv60-wireless-charging-option/ https://insideevs.com/news/538850/genesis-gv60-wireless-char... Complain about that next.
        panick21 5y ago
        Tesla alone adds 3500 new stations (each with avg. 8 chargers) per QUARTER. And that will continue to grow. And that is outside of many companies doing such network. But yeah 5000 stations in 2025 maybe, how amazing. I know understanding scale is hard. And the government is subsidizing it in China as well. When they stop some car makers there will also stop. Wireless charging is a waste of energy, and literally a horrible thing for climate change.
        clouddrover 5y ago
        You certainly didn't disappoint. > Tesla alone adds 3500 new stations (each with avg. 8 chargers) per QUARTER. Tesla has been building them for nine years and still hasn't reached 3,500 stations: https://supercharge.info/charts https://supercharge.info/charts > I know understanding scale is hard. That's called irony. > Wireless charging is a waste of energy, and literally a horrible thing for climate change. EV wireless charging is 94% efficient, grid to battery: https://www.sae.org/news/2020/10/new-sae-wireless-charging-standard-is-ev-game-changer https://www.sae.org/news/2020/10/new-sae-wireless-charging-s... It's as I said. You don't know what you're talking about. I think you must spend too much time consuming social media influencer "content". They don't know what they're talking about either. It's like mental junk food.

clouddrover 5y ago

Battery swap stations have happened. NIO has done over 4 million battery swaps: https://www.carscoops.com/2021/09/nio-customers-have-performed-over-4-million-battery-swaps-with-their-evs/ https://www.carscoops.com/2021/09/nio-customers-have-perform... NIO is expanding their battery swap stations to Europe: https://www.carscoops.com/2021/10/nio-brings-battery-swapping-to-europe-as-they-launch-es8-suv-and-open-first-nio-house-in-norway/ https://www.carscoops.com/2021/10/nio-brings-battery-swappin... Gogoro has done over 200 million battery swaps: https://www.gogoro.com/news/400k-gogoro-network-subscribers/ https://www.gogoro.com/news/400k-gogoro-network-subscribers/ Gogoro is expanding their battery swap network: https://thedriven.io/2021/10/12/taiwans-gogoro-launches-battery-swapping-stations-in-mainland-china/ https://thedriven.io/2021/10/12/taiwans-gogoro-launches-batt...

panick21 5y ago
How many % of overall EV are refueled by battery swapping? That is actually a better indicator then saying X company has performed X swaps. Its probably like 0.0001%. Compare the amount of swap station to the amount of fast chargers. Battery swap is niche of niche of a niche for cars. Gogoro is for scooters, I think its pretty clear we were talking about cars.
- clouddrover 5y ago
  So it started as "battery swap stations will never happen" but now it's having a whinge that they're not more widely used, and you're not even the person I was replying to. Still, this kind of back-pedaling and goalpost shifting is entertaining.
  - panick21 5y ago
    > you're not even the person I was replying So, this is normal on HN. > So it started as "battery swap stations will never happen" but now it's having a whinge that they're not more widely used What are you even talking about? Nobody accept you is "whinging" about anything. The fact is 99% of EV companies have decided against battery swapping. What does that tell you?
    - clouddrover 5y ago
      It tells me that you're not very knowledgeable about EVs and you don't know what you're talking about. Here's another company rolling out battery swap stations: https://insideevs.com/news/537787/geely-battery-swapping-stations-2025/ https://insideevs.com/news/537787/geely-battery-swapping-sta... But I would like to be entertained by some more whining from you. Here's a company rolling out wireless charging support: https://insideevs.com/news/538850/genesis-gv60-wireless-charging-option/ https://insideevs.com/news/538850/genesis-gv60-wireless-char... Complain about that next.
      - panick21 5y ago
        Tesla alone adds 3500 new stations (each with avg. 8 chargers) per QUARTER. And that will continue to grow. And that is outside of many companies doing such network. But yeah 5000 stations in 2025 maybe, how amazing. I know understanding scale is hard. And the government is subsidizing it in China as well. When they stop some car makers there will also stop. Wireless charging is a waste of energy, and literally a horrible thing for climate change.
        clouddrover 5y ago
        You certainly didn't disappoint. > Tesla alone adds 3500 new stations (each with avg. 8 chargers) per QUARTER. Tesla has been building them for nine years and still hasn't reached 3,500 stations: https://supercharge.info/charts https://supercharge.info/charts > I know understanding scale is hard. That's called irony. > Wireless charging is a waste of energy, and literally a horrible thing for climate change. EV wireless charging is 94% efficient, grid to battery: https://www.sae.org/news/2020/10/new-sae-wireless-charging-standard-is-ev-game-changer https://www.sae.org/news/2020/10/new-sae-wireless-charging-s... It's as I said. You don't know what you're talking about. I think you must spend too much time consuming social media influencer "content". They don't know what they're talking about either. It's like mental junk food.