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I mean this is cool and all but this is literally double lock in. Notion can't be self hosted and neither can this. Why would you depend on either of these for

I mean this is cool and all but this is literally double lock in. Notion can't be self hosted and neither can this. Why would you depend on either of these for your website. Not to mention using Notion as a CMS means you're limited in what you can do, zero extensibility, etc.

steveklabnik 5y ago
Notion allows you to export your stuff as Markdown. Couple of scripts later and you're ready to dump it into whatever other thing you want. It's not that bad.
satvikpendem 5y ago
Most people don't care, they just want a site that works. It's useful because Notion itself is WYSIWYG where whatever you type is what shows up, much more flexible than something like WordPress.
- noahtallen 5y ago
  > much more flexible than something like WordPress WordPress is endlessly extensible and customizable, so I don’t think Notion would be more flexible. Maybe Notion is simpler or easier to use, but at the end of the day, you’d still be very limited in what type of site you could build. WordPress is also getting close to releasing a WYSIWYG editor for the full site, which is also extensible and customizable. But this is already available for content, which is mostly what potion would be handling anyways. Looking over the list of potion benefits: 1. Nothing to install 2. It's simple - focus more on your content 3. Update and it's instantly live! 4. Use Notion (You already know it) 5. No page limits 5. Potion generates pretty URLs and preview images auto-magically from your page titles Only 2 and 4 seem to be things which something like WordPress might not have, and they are very subjective anyways. For number 1, there are lots of hosted WordPress platforms which don’t have you installing anything. For 5, there are probably lots of plugins you supplement the default social image behavior if it doesn’t work for you. I think this is a very cool project, and it’s always nice to see more experiments in the CMS area. But I don’t think flexible is the right word to use to describe it :) Disclaimer: I’ve been a WordPress contributor, so I’m definitely biased. :p
  - skinnymuch 5y ago
    The biggest benefit is you get to use Notion for the backend content creation. It is prett different from more traditional WYSIWYG editors like Wordpress’. I think for smaller sites including in some collaborative instances, Notion makes more sense than Wordpress. Of course Wordpress makes a ton of sense in so many ways. Including for most collaborative scenarios. Mine is a hippie ish free organic growing virtual coworking community. So it is easier to get active members to add to Notion than Wordpress. I think this is an edge case though.
- input_sh 5y ago
  WordPress uses a WYSIWYG editor called Gutenberg for quite some time now: https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/
noahbragg 5y ago
Well there are lots of people out there that don't know how to or don't want to host a site on their own. and maybe they don't know how to code. So this would be a good option for them. Seeing lots of people like this for my current customers.
- anaganisk 5y ago
  There are dedicated no code website building services. Like Wix, square space and tens of other great services. This is a bad solution for a solved problem.
rchaud 5y ago
I think it's more for existing Notion users that may wish to have a tiny microsite about something. Someone already invested in Notion isn't going to care about self-hosting.
- pydry 5y ago
  A tiny microsite for $120/year tho.
  - filmgirlcw 5y ago
    This. $10 a month isn’t unheard of but when commodity VPS hosting is $5 a month (if not less) and stuff like WordPress.com is $8 a month and Netlify and GitHub Pages exist, I don’t know how broad this market is. Especially when you’re talking about the lock-in imposed by using this sort of thing.
  - danuker 5y ago
    As opposed to what? Hosting your own server for $120/yr in electricity, but with hardware costs on top?
    - somebodythere 5y ago
      What microsite costs $120/yr in electricity to run?
      - danuker 5y ago
        Mine, almost :) https://danuker.go.ro/ https://danuker.go.ro/ Actually around $60, and I have more services on it, not just the site.
    - maccard 5y ago
      Likely a digital ocean droplet, or other vps for $5-10 per month. Except neither of those Integrate with notion.
      - 5y ago

steveklabnik 5y ago

Notion allows you to export your stuff as Markdown. Couple of scripts later and you're ready to dump it into whatever other thing you want. It's not that bad.

satvikpendem 5y ago

Most people don't care, they just want a site that works. It's useful because Notion itself is WYSIWYG where whatever you type is what shows up, much more flexible than something like WordPress.

noahtallen 5y ago
> much more flexible than something like WordPress WordPress is endlessly extensible and customizable, so I don’t think Notion would be more flexible. Maybe Notion is simpler or easier to use, but at the end of the day, you’d still be very limited in what type of site you could build. WordPress is also getting close to releasing a WYSIWYG editor for the full site, which is also extensible and customizable. But this is already available for content, which is mostly what potion would be handling anyways. Looking over the list of potion benefits: 1. Nothing to install 2. It's simple - focus more on your content 3. Update and it's instantly live! 4. Use Notion (You already know it) 5. No page limits 5. Potion generates pretty URLs and preview images auto-magically from your page titles Only 2 and 4 seem to be things which something like WordPress might not have, and they are very subjective anyways. For number 1, there are lots of hosted WordPress platforms which don’t have you installing anything. For 5, there are probably lots of plugins you supplement the default social image behavior if it doesn’t work for you. I think this is a very cool project, and it’s always nice to see more experiments in the CMS area. But I don’t think flexible is the right word to use to describe it :) Disclaimer: I’ve been a WordPress contributor, so I’m definitely biased. :p
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  The biggest benefit is you get to use Notion for the backend content creation. It is prett different from more traditional WYSIWYG editors like Wordpress’. I think for smaller sites including in some collaborative instances, Notion makes more sense than Wordpress. Of course Wordpress makes a ton of sense in so many ways. Including for most collaborative scenarios. Mine is a hippie ish free organic growing virtual coworking community. So it is easier to get active members to add to Notion than Wordpress. I think this is an edge case though.
input_sh 5y ago
WordPress uses a WYSIWYG editor called Gutenberg for quite some time now: https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/

noahbragg 5y ago

Well there are lots of people out there that don't know how to or don't want to host a site on their own. and maybe they don't know how to code. So this would be a good option for them. Seeing lots of people like this for my current customers.

anaganisk 5y ago
There are dedicated no code website building services. Like Wix, square space and tens of other great services. This is a bad solution for a solved problem.

rchaud 5y ago

I think it's more for existing Notion users that may wish to have a tiny microsite about something. Someone already invested in Notion isn't going to care about self-hosting.

pydry 5y ago
A tiny microsite for $120/year tho.
- filmgirlcw 5y ago
  This. $10 a month isn’t unheard of but when commodity VPS hosting is $5 a month (if not less) and stuff like WordPress.com is $8 a month and Netlify and GitHub Pages exist, I don’t know how broad this market is. Especially when you’re talking about the lock-in imposed by using this sort of thing.
- danuker 5y ago
  As opposed to what? Hosting your own server for $120/yr in electricity, but with hardware costs on top?
  - somebodythere 5y ago
    What microsite costs $120/yr in electricity to run?
    - danuker 5y ago
      Mine, almost :) https://danuker.go.ro/ https://danuker.go.ro/ Actually around $60, and I have more services on it, not just the site.
  - maccard 5y ago
    Likely a digital ocean droplet, or other vps for $5-10 per month. Except neither of those Integrate with notion.
    - 5y ago