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Woke Movement Is Global, and America Should Be (Mostly) Proud

9 points by malshe 5y ago

malshe 5y ago
The article headline is "Why Wokeism Will Rule the World" but when I used "post to HN" bookmarklet, it replaced it with this title. Not sure how this happened.
- Miner49er 5y ago
  It must grab the <title> tag, which is the posted title.
  - malshe 5y ago
    Oh ok! Thanks for the explanation
themodelplumber 5y ago
This article is a good example of why the business world will help lead the charge for what the author calls wokeism. Business psychology would rather look at knock-on effects on growth and leverage, even in the big picture, than position itself as an arbiter in a polarized and highly subjective values dichotomy. For one, this is the same as playing to business strengths. But also, it's avoiding weak areas. The "look at both sides and be calm" perspective is one of the only major tools businesses are comfortable deploying in _any_ deep relationship-equity issue. If businesses get into complex and polarizing relating issues and look as if they are coming out on a given side, they risk immediately having their own values questioned, which immediately calls their longer term stability into question. We know that people and cultures change and adapt over time--so what about this business? In terms of equivalent dichotomy and polarity, business mentality is much closer to the right/wrong world of measured data and businesses need to find ways to stay in that circle in order to grow in a sustainable way. You can say that businesses are able to metabolize data easily, and individuals rely on businesses to lend out this leverage. IMO this is also why generalized ethics systems and ethics training are good for business, even though people who prefer more authentic depth will blast such things for being too shallow. These systems work from the objective side, rather than forcing an entire organization into a fractally-deep conversation that distracts from core business gifts. So yes, they are shallow, but the point is to provide a compatibility layer for the business operations so to speak, not to reformat every layer from the bottom up.
Zababa 5y ago
> The woke movement could be the next great U.S. cultural export — and it is going to do many other countries some real good. More cultural imperialism, yeah, precisely what the world needed. > Does that make you feel better or worse about wokeism? I say better. Again, keep the bigger picture in mind. It doesn’t much matter who controls the English department at Oberlin College. But it would be nice if the Saudis moved to allow more rights for women. > Note that it is not necessary to approve of all U.S. cultural exports to view the spread of wokeism as a net positive for the world. I do not like either Big Macs or Marvel movies, for instance. But at the end of the day I think American culture is a healthy, democratizing, liberating influence, so I want to extend it. It's very weird to defend the woke movement without being able to step back and see how advocating for more American influence is almost contrary to what wokism is about. Why is it so hard to just leave other countries alone? Can't they focus on fixing their issues? > Wokeism has passed a market test that has been going on for decades. That should give pause to anyone seeking to dismiss it. So did colonialism and slavery.
firebaze 5y ago
Just no. Before woke, it was normal that for example a black person was a person, same as anyone. Even questioning if a black person was different at all would've been heretic, bad, simply wrong, by itself. Also, we didn't have to consider if s/he was gay, or whatever. Now, it's not like that anymore. People are defending blacks. Why? They fucking don't need to! They are humans! Now it's just the exact opposite. We have to consider race (fuck, what? we're humans), gender (why?! our generation had already overcome this!) and so on. My wife recently said: thanks, now I'm just a woman again, after all. It's just so depressing. I understand if this gets downvoted. Sorry for being frustrated and having been raised to the standard that anyone being equal, and believing in this.
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9 points by malshe 5y ago

The article headline is "Why Wokeism Will Rule the World" but when I used "post to HN" bookmarklet, it replaced it with this title. Not sure how this happened.

Miner49er 5y ago
It must grab the <title> tag, which is the posted title.
- malshe 5y ago
  Oh ok! Thanks for the explanation

themodelplumber 5y ago

This article is a good example of why the business world will help lead the charge for what the author calls wokeism. Business psychology would rather look at knock-on effects on growth and leverage, even in the big picture, than position itself as an arbiter in a polarized and highly subjective values dichotomy. For one, this is the same as playing to business strengths. But also, it's avoiding weak areas. The "look at both sides and be calm" perspective is one of the only major tools businesses are comfortable deploying in _any_ deep relationship-equity issue. If businesses get into complex and polarizing relating issues and look as if they are coming out on a given side, they risk immediately having their own values questioned, which immediately calls their longer term stability into question. We know that people and cultures change and adapt over time--so what about this business? In terms of equivalent dichotomy and polarity, business mentality is much closer to the right/wrong world of measured data and businesses need to find ways to stay in that circle in order to grow in a sustainable way. You can say that businesses are able to metabolize data easily, and individuals rely on businesses to lend out this leverage. IMO this is also why generalized ethics systems and ethics training are good for business, even though people who prefer more authentic depth will blast such things for being too shallow. These systems work from the objective side, rather than forcing an entire organization into a fractally-deep conversation that distracts from core business gifts. So yes, they are shallow, but the point is to provide a compatibility layer for the business operations so to speak, not to reformat every layer from the bottom up.

Zababa 5y ago

> The woke movement could be the next great U.S. cultural export — and it is going to do many other countries some real good. More cultural imperialism, yeah, precisely what the world needed. > Does that make you feel better or worse about wokeism? I say better. Again, keep the bigger picture in mind. It doesn’t much matter who controls the English department at Oberlin College. But it would be nice if the Saudis moved to allow more rights for women. > Note that it is not necessary to approve of all U.S. cultural exports to view the spread of wokeism as a net positive for the world. I do not like either Big Macs or Marvel movies, for instance. But at the end of the day I think American culture is a healthy, democratizing, liberating influence, so I want to extend it. It's very weird to defend the woke movement without being able to step back and see how advocating for more American influence is almost contrary to what wokism is about. Why is it so hard to just leave other countries alone? Can't they focus on fixing their issues? > Wokeism has passed a market test that has been going on for decades. That should give pause to anyone seeking to dismiss it. So did colonialism and slavery.

firebaze 5y ago

Just no. Before woke, it was normal that for example a black person was a person, same as anyone. Even questioning if a black person was different at all would've been heretic, bad, simply wrong, by itself. Also, we didn't have to consider if s/he was gay, or whatever. Now, it's not like that anymore. People are defending blacks. Why? They fucking don't need to! They are humans! Now it's just the exact opposite. We have to consider race (fuck, what? we're humans), gender (why?! our generation had already overcome this!) and so on. My wife recently said: thanks, now I'm just a woman again, after all. It's just so depressing. I understand if this gets downvoted. Sorry for being frustrated and having been raised to the standard that anyone being equal, and believing in this.

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