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> consciousness is what allows you to experience things rather than being a mindless automaton. Well this is certainly a better definition IMO, however, what d

by bryan0 5y ago

> consciousness is what allows you to experience things rather than being a mindless automaton. Well this is certainly a better definition IMO, however, what does a "mindless automaton" mean? If the automaton is intelligent then it's not mindless. > What you mean might be that you'd prefer a definition that you can use to measure objects around the world to detect consciousness? That's not what I mean. I actually think Turing created a decent method of detecting consciousness. What I mean is that someone on this thread said the problem with consciousness is that it is not well-defined, and I happen to agree in the sense that when people talking about consciousness they are often talking about different things. Just in this one thread 2 different definitions were proposed, and the article uses a 3rd: "the feeling of being inside your head"

goatlover 5y ago
> If the automaton is intelligent then it's not mindless. Does the automation have conscious experiences? Take a simulation of a city populated with characters. Do those characters experience the city? Do they feel the warmth of the digital sun on their digital face? > I actually think Turing created a decent method of detecting consciousness. Would the turing machine feel anything during its conversation? Is there anything it's like to be code? All of these kinds of phrases are ways of specifying subjectivity.
- bryan0 5y ago
  > Does the automation have conscious experiences? yes. Consciousness does not need to be a binary phenomenon, there are certainly different levels of consciousness. > Take a simulation of a city populated with characters. Do those characters experience the city? yes. >Do they feel the warmth of the digital sun on their digital face? No probably not, unless the simulation includes that level of perception for the characters. > Would the turing machine feel anything during its conversation? Is there anything it's like to be code? Consistent with my answers above: yes and yes.

by bryan0 5y ago

goatlover 5y ago

> If the automaton is intelligent then it's not mindless. Does the automation have conscious experiences? Take a simulation of a city populated with characters. Do those characters experience the city? Do they feel the warmth of the digital sun on their digital face? > I actually think Turing created a decent method of detecting consciousness. Would the turing machine feel anything during its conversation? Is there anything it's like to be code? All of these kinds of phrases are ways of specifying subjectivity.

bryan0 5y ago
> Does the automation have conscious experiences? yes. Consciousness does not need to be a binary phenomenon, there are certainly different levels of consciousness. > Take a simulation of a city populated with characters. Do those characters experience the city? yes. >Do they feel the warmth of the digital sun on their digital face? No probably not, unless the simulation includes that level of perception for the characters. > Would the turing machine feel anything during its conversation? Is there anything it's like to be code? Consistent with my answers above: yes and yes.