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Take my salary down to 50k and everything remains true on that list except my holidays will be at cheap family resorts on the Mediterranean rather than in 5* ho

Take my salary down to 50k and everything remains true on that list except my holidays will be at cheap family resorts on the Mediterranean rather than in 5* hotels. That cannot be said for the average American: that may struggle with massive medical bills, lack of strong worker protection, kids doing active shooter drills, (three people from my clients have had their kids do this in the past few weeks) maybe 1 week of vacation per year, Crazy student loans where some people end up paying back thousands but still owing more than when they started - you could argue this is their own fault but the ability to dig yourself into that sort of hole doesn't even exist here. no law to mandate maternity pay etc etc... Can you elaborate on some of the news I've watched? I don't understand that reference and I don't often read news out of the US unless its global headline grabbing.

rmk 5y ago
The average American in the midwest can still live a pretty decent life on the 50k. An American making 50k in a major city such as San Francisco or New York City is forced to endure long commutes, but can still make it work, somewhat similar to people who commute to London.
TameAntelope 5y ago
Yep, totally fair about making less money being a problem in the US, and it's a big problem right now in the US where the upper class has a totally different experience than the middle/lower class, but taking your salary down isn't what we were talking about. The point is that, at this income level, the quality of life in the US shoots up substantially, to the point where it matches what you describe, but also isn't on an island in the Atlantic with terrible weather and a lot less geographic diversity. :) And no, I don't believe for one second that you don't understand "that reference" w/r/t watching too much US news! How else would you know what's going on in the US and misapply it to the upper class? No, you know exactly what you were referencing, you just didn't know how stratified the social structure is here in the US, so you thought you could apply issues you know affect the middle class to the upper class, when that wasn't actually the case. It's fine! This is a learning moment, all good. The US has a complex society, partially because we're so big (both geographically and population -- it's a lot easier to run a country when everyone is nearby and there are a lot fewer of you), and now is a good time for you to learn that our problems aren't shared across social levels.
- eatYourFood 5y ago
  I still don't get the reference. Why don't you just be clear and unambiguous? I know that access to healthcare isn't a necessarily a given in the US. I know that kids prepare for shooters to enter their schools. I know my friends husband doesn't have the correct level of healthcare(don't know the terminology) for his bowel cancer so now the family is broke, I know what I know because I have worked with Americans for years.
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    I think I was clear; I simply don't believe you.
    - eatYourFood 5y ago
      Are the issues I listed even in the news? I just looked on CNN and FOX homepage and didn't see any of those issues?

rmk 5y ago

The average American in the midwest can still live a pretty decent life on the 50k. An American making 50k in a major city such as San Francisco or New York City is forced to endure long commutes, but can still make it work, somewhat similar to people who commute to London.

TameAntelope 5y ago

Yep, totally fair about making less money being a problem in the US, and it's a big problem right now in the US where the upper class has a totally different experience than the middle/lower class, but taking your salary down isn't what we were talking about. The point is that, at this income level, the quality of life in the US shoots up substantially, to the point where it matches what you describe, but also isn't on an island in the Atlantic with terrible weather and a lot less geographic diversity. :) And no, I don't believe for one second that you don't understand "that reference" w/r/t watching too much US news! How else would you know what's going on in the US and misapply it to the upper class? No, you know exactly what you were referencing, you just didn't know how stratified the social structure is here in the US, so you thought you could apply issues you know affect the middle class to the upper class, when that wasn't actually the case. It's fine! This is a learning moment, all good. The US has a complex society, partially because we're so big (both geographically and population -- it's a lot easier to run a country when everyone is nearby and there are a lot fewer of you), and now is a good time for you to learn that our problems aren't shared across social levels.

eatYourFood 5y ago
I still don't get the reference. Why don't you just be clear and unambiguous? I know that access to healthcare isn't a necessarily a given in the US. I know that kids prepare for shooters to enter their schools. I know my friends husband doesn't have the correct level of healthcare(don't know the terminology) for his bowel cancer so now the family is broke, I know what I know because I have worked with Americans for years.
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  I think I was clear; I simply don't believe you.
  - eatYourFood 5y ago
    Are the issues I listed even in the news? I just looked on CNN and FOX homepage and didn't see any of those issues?