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This is just post-hoc rationalization. The extra few minutes of refueling time is hardly a problem. Even so, eventually you likely will be able to refuel at ho

by Hypx_ 5y ago

This is just post-hoc rationalization. The extra few minutes of refueling time is hardly a problem. Even so, eventually you likely will be able to refuel at home since home electrolysis is possible.

magicalhippo 5y ago
> This is just post-hoc rationalization. For you maybe. For my SO I can assure you it's absolutely not. Having owned an EV for two years now, it's clear that it's been good enough for us. Yes range is a bit limited, but for us it hasn't been an issue. It has some upsides like fairly trivial home-charging if you got a garage. As such, hydrogen can't just deliver the same to be competitive. Hydrogen will have to deliver more. Longer range at same cost wouldn't be enough for us, the negatives would make it a no-go. So it would have to be longer range for much cheaper. But I don't see how cost can be significantly cheaper, given the process inefficiencies and infrastructure required. Looking at the concepts[1] I can't imagine them being cheaper than a home EV charger, which is about 1000-1500 USD installed. Never mind that we don't have any space for such a huge thing. And I'm doubtful as to how much H2 we'll be able to generate here in Norway during winter. [1]: https://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/index.php/home-hydrogen-fueling-stations/ https://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/index.php/home-hydrogen-fuel...
- Hypx_ 5y ago
  Then I will have to disagree. I insist that it is still post-hoc rationalization. Sooner or later, hydrogen cars will be cheaper to own than a battery car. Once this happens, none of this reasoning will hold up to scrutiny. Should be noted that you can have hydrogen delivered in the same way propane/LPG can be delivered. In fact, gasoline/petrol could have been delivered since the first days of the automobile. None of these ideas really mattered in the end.
  - magicalhippo 5y ago
    > Once this happens, none of this reasoning will hold up to scrutiny. My point is it can't just be say 20% cheaper to own. It'll have to be much more than that to offset the pain of having to refuel. Sure, if it's 20% cheaper including having the H2 delivered at home, then we're approaching something that can be considered.
    - Hypx_ 5y ago
      As we are talking about a large ticket item (cars), a 20% difference is a big deal. As with all fuels, this shouldn't be much more expensive than from a fueling station.

by Hypx_ 5y ago

This is just post-hoc rationalization. The extra few minutes of refueling time is hardly a problem. Even so, eventually you likely will be able to refuel at home since home electrolysis is possible.

magicalhippo 5y ago

> This is just post-hoc rationalization. For you maybe. For my SO I can assure you it's absolutely not. Having owned an EV for two years now, it's clear that it's been good enough for us. Yes range is a bit limited, but for us it hasn't been an issue. It has some upsides like fairly trivial home-charging if you got a garage. As such, hydrogen can't just deliver the same to be competitive. Hydrogen will have to deliver more. Longer range at same cost wouldn't be enough for us, the negatives would make it a no-go. So it would have to be longer range for much cheaper. But I don't see how cost can be significantly cheaper, given the process inefficiencies and infrastructure required. Looking at the concepts[1] I can't imagine them being cheaper than a home EV charger, which is about 1000-1500 USD installed. Never mind that we don't have any space for such a huge thing. And I'm doubtful as to how much H2 we'll be able to generate here in Norway during winter. [1]: https://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/index.php/home-hydrogen-fueling-stations/ https://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/index.php/home-hydrogen-fuel...

Hypx_ 5y ago
Then I will have to disagree. I insist that it is still post-hoc rationalization. Sooner or later, hydrogen cars will be cheaper to own than a battery car. Once this happens, none of this reasoning will hold up to scrutiny. Should be noted that you can have hydrogen delivered in the same way propane/LPG can be delivered. In fact, gasoline/petrol could have been delivered since the first days of the automobile. None of these ideas really mattered in the end.
- magicalhippo 5y ago
  > Once this happens, none of this reasoning will hold up to scrutiny. My point is it can't just be say 20% cheaper to own. It'll have to be much more than that to offset the pain of having to refuel. Sure, if it's 20% cheaper including having the H2 delivered at home, then we're approaching something that can be considered.
  - Hypx_ 5y ago
    As we are talking about a large ticket item (cars), a 20% difference is a big deal. As with all fuels, this shouldn't be much more expensive than from a fueling station.