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The entire apple ecosystem is extremely expensive to be on - asking 30% of revenue share - not much for major networks since they don't have to invent it themse

The entire apple ecosystem is extremely expensive to be on - asking 30% of revenue share - not much for major networks since they don't have to invent it themselves, but a hefty tax to consumers in comparison to non apple devices. The funny part is, they charge a premium on both ends and people like it. (and i do believe Apple had to fight similar battles on youtube placement...)

whoknowswhat11 5y ago
This is really totally false. Youtube TV - Apple is not taking 30% - that's a lie basically as an example. Most of these major players (Youtube TV etc) you can sign up just on a regular website. Apple only takes a cut of these subscriptions IF you use their platform to enable them. If you do use them, the % is only 15% after 1 year. Either way - the outcome is I as a user have good access to lots of good content, no crap ads, no advertising buttons I don't want and more. So it's a win for me. I'd really like Roku to be transparent in terms of what they are asking for from Youtube. In the past, they refused to support encoding Youtube TV was using etc.
- supernovae 5y ago
  If someone buys and apple tv and then buys Youtube tv - then the market fees are 30% If someone already has youtube tv and signs in on apple tv, the sure... BUT.. when you use an apple tv, Apple makes it remarkably hard NOT to use an apple account to not subscribe to services so in most cases, it's gonna be your wife seeing HBO in the apps and installing and subbing through there. That's the entire premise of their walled garden and i still can't believe people pay a premium for it.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    > Apple makes it remarkably hard NOT to use an apple account to not subscribe to services so in most cases, it's gonna be your wife seeing HBO in the apps and installing and subbing through there. It is remarkably hard to tell your spouse to not pay for things on the Apple TV and rather do it via the website using the browser on the phone that is most likely in her hand?
    - supernovae 5y ago
      Oh puhhlease. i don't police my wife, she can order whatever tv she wants. I don't have apple tv anymore anyway - BUT, if you do order on the phone there is a good chance its going to try and force Apple Pay or the Store if you installed the app and you're still walled garden paying apple tax
- salamandersauce 5y ago
  Apple also refused to support the encoding YT was using for 4K. It took several years before the ATV4K could actually show YT in 4K and they had that whole stupid spat with Amazon that kept Prime Video off the platform for years. Everyone in the streaming market has been greedy and childish.
  - supernovae 5y ago
    Yeah, it's been pretty pathetic. I thought apps would make things better or just wide adoption of web players but apparently not.. reminds me of the cablecard fiasco and having to buy new STBs or pay a monthly fee to rent one.. back to plex it is
  - whoknowswhat11 5y ago
    Apple TV original was a very focused platform (and slow really if you were not using the apple stuff). I'm not surprised it couldn't handle YT4K. By the time I joined, Apple TV easily seems to support youtube. Apple TV is limited - no question. Doesn't support USB media etc etc. But you get a very smooth experience, very little in terms of ads. I am thinking about something that supports USB based media directly - though you can also stream to most platforms for a network storage system The Amazon /Apple spat was annoying for sure. Now I buy my apple stuff on Amazon, etc, I think Amazon realized Apple nto a real threat to their money spinning AWS (apple's network stuff has historically been very poor and not cross platform).
    - salamandersauce 5y ago
      The ATV 4K I'm talking about is one generation behind the current one and was first released in 2017. They sold it until May of this year and it still gets updates. It always "supported" YouTube but not in 4K until tvOS 14 which released LAST YEAR. The hardware could always do YouTube in 4K and weaker devices like the 4K FireTVs could do it too.

whoknowswhat11 5y ago

This is really totally false. Youtube TV - Apple is not taking 30% - that's a lie basically as an example. Most of these major players (Youtube TV etc) you can sign up just on a regular website. Apple only takes a cut of these subscriptions IF you use their platform to enable them. If you do use them, the % is only 15% after 1 year. Either way - the outcome is I as a user have good access to lots of good content, no crap ads, no advertising buttons I don't want and more. So it's a win for me. I'd really like Roku to be transparent in terms of what they are asking for from Youtube. In the past, they refused to support encoding Youtube TV was using etc.

supernovae 5y ago
If someone buys and apple tv and then buys Youtube tv - then the market fees are 30% If someone already has youtube tv and signs in on apple tv, the sure... BUT.. when you use an apple tv, Apple makes it remarkably hard NOT to use an apple account to not subscribe to services so in most cases, it's gonna be your wife seeing HBO in the apps and installing and subbing through there. That's the entire premise of their walled garden and i still can't believe people pay a premium for it.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  > Apple makes it remarkably hard NOT to use an apple account to not subscribe to services so in most cases, it's gonna be your wife seeing HBO in the apps and installing and subbing through there. It is remarkably hard to tell your spouse to not pay for things on the Apple TV and rather do it via the website using the browser on the phone that is most likely in her hand?
  - supernovae 5y ago
    Oh puhhlease. i don't police my wife, she can order whatever tv she wants. I don't have apple tv anymore anyway - BUT, if you do order on the phone there is a good chance its going to try and force Apple Pay or the Store if you installed the app and you're still walled garden paying apple tax
salamandersauce 5y ago
Apple also refused to support the encoding YT was using for 4K. It took several years before the ATV4K could actually show YT in 4K and they had that whole stupid spat with Amazon that kept Prime Video off the platform for years. Everyone in the streaming market has been greedy and childish.
- supernovae 5y ago
  Yeah, it's been pretty pathetic. I thought apps would make things better or just wide adoption of web players but apparently not.. reminds me of the cablecard fiasco and having to buy new STBs or pay a monthly fee to rent one.. back to plex it is
- whoknowswhat11 5y ago
  Apple TV original was a very focused platform (and slow really if you were not using the apple stuff). I'm not surprised it couldn't handle YT4K. By the time I joined, Apple TV easily seems to support youtube. Apple TV is limited - no question. Doesn't support USB media etc etc. But you get a very smooth experience, very little in terms of ads. I am thinking about something that supports USB based media directly - though you can also stream to most platforms for a network storage system The Amazon /Apple spat was annoying for sure. Now I buy my apple stuff on Amazon, etc, I think Amazon realized Apple nto a real threat to their money spinning AWS (apple's network stuff has historically been very poor and not cross platform).
  - salamandersauce 5y ago
    The ATV 4K I'm talking about is one generation behind the current one and was first released in 2017. They sold it until May of this year and it still gets updates. It always "supported" YouTube but not in 4K until tvOS 14 which released LAST YEAR. The hardware could always do YouTube in 4K and weaker devices like the 4K FireTVs could do it too.