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>As I already explained, the user has to opt in to share that data with Google. As I have already explained, this has nothing to do with Google Pay whatsoever.

>As I already explained, the user has to opt in to share that data with Google. As I have already explained, this has nothing to do with Google Pay whatsoever. It doesn't matter who issues your card. Google made deals directly with Visa and Mastercard to buy your transaction data. >as Google said in a blog post on its new service for marketers, it has partnered with “third parties” that give them access to 70 percent of all credit and debit card purchases. Google has gone from spying on everything you do online, to spying on your offline behavior as well. As for the rest of your errors. I'm afraid that I'm not willing to take the time to correct them individually.

lern_too_spel 5y ago
> Google has gone from spying on everything you do online, to spying on your offline behavior as well. That is about aggregate purchases, which have no privacy implications at all, not about individual purchases, which need to be matched either by email or by users opting in to share their credit card transactions, which is exactly the same as Apple Pay. > Also, how exactly do you use the Google Play Store without having a Google account? You don't have to use Google Play to install apps on Android. Even if you use Google Pay, you don't have to completely de-anonymize yourself with billing details. > I'm afraid that I'm not willing to take the time to correct them individually. More like you're afraid that you cannot correct them because they are already correct. I have made those claims hundreds of times on this forum, and they have never been corrected. You have simply fallen for Apple's marketing without critically thinking about what data Apple actually collects, and the embarrassment of overpaying for an ecosystem that is clearly worse has understandably caused you to become defensive. The takeaway is to not trust marketing and verify if what the marketing actually claims is true. None of these companies are looking out for you. If Apple can make more money by exploiting your privacy on top of getting you to pay more, they will do it, and they are doing it (why actually make a privacy-respecting product that ties Apple's hands when they can just have the marketing department claim that it's a privacy respecting product and have their cake and eat it too). The only reason Android has gotten away with less user exploitation is that Google is still not yet as top-down driven as Apple, so the hackers who work on Android can influence how the base system is made while just enabling the company's services teams to build what they want on top of that instead of directly into the base system, and the only reason Google still lets them get away with that is that Android initially had to be released as AOSP + vendor bits in order to bring other companies into the ecosystem, and it is now too expensive to change course.
- GeekyBear 5y ago
  >That is about aggregate purchases, which have no privacy implications at all Spying on everywhere you shop no matter which bank issues your card has no privacy implications at all? Sorry, but at this point I can't take you seriously.
  - lern_too_spel 5y ago
    Of course it doesn't have any privacy implications if they don't know it was you who made the purchase. That's what "aggregate" implies.
    - GeekyBear 5y ago
      >Google Now Tracks Your Credit Card Purchases and Connects Them to Its Online Profile of You It's literally the headline of the article I've posted three times now. Connecting purchases to your user profile has nothing to do with aggregate data and everything to do with spying on individual users for a profit.
      - lern_too_spel 5y ago
        I see it now. This works whether you're using iOS or Android, so iOS remains strictly worse for privacy.
        GeekyBear 5y ago
        It's Apple's fault Google spies on everyone's bank account? I suppose it's also Apple's fault that Google pressured device makers to hide the Android privacy settings, and ignored users when they turned off the setting Google told them would stop Android from tracking their location?
        lern_too_spel 5y ago
        > It's Apple's fault Google spies on everyone's bank account? It might be Apple's fault that you believe I said that. Try reading my comments on an Android phone, which gives you a choice of multiple working web browsers instead of just different skins of the same buggy browser engine. > Google pressured device makers to hide the Android privacy settings. That's funny. The privacy settings on Android are more easily accessible than the privacy settings on iOS, and they apply to all apps, not special-casing Apple apps like iOS does. > ignored users when they turned off the setting Google told them would stop Android from tracking their location? You're talking about two different settings in two different Google apps, not in Android. The really faulty thing is that there is no way to prevent iOS from sending your location to Apple at all unless you don't get your location on your iOS device at all. You keep trying to compare iOS to Google and failing. The correct comparison is iOS to Android, where iOS fails badly.

lern_too_spel 5y ago

> Google has gone from spying on everything you do online, to spying on your offline behavior as well. That is about aggregate purchases, which have no privacy implications at all, not about individual purchases, which need to be matched either by email or by users opting in to share their credit card transactions, which is exactly the same as Apple Pay. > Also, how exactly do you use the Google Play Store without having a Google account? You don't have to use Google Play to install apps on Android. Even if you use Google Pay, you don't have to completely de-anonymize yourself with billing details. > I'm afraid that I'm not willing to take the time to correct them individually. More like you're afraid that you cannot correct them because they are already correct. I have made those claims hundreds of times on this forum, and they have never been corrected. You have simply fallen for Apple's marketing without critically thinking about what data Apple actually collects, and the embarrassment of overpaying for an ecosystem that is clearly worse has understandably caused you to become defensive. The takeaway is to not trust marketing and verify if what the marketing actually claims is true. None of these companies are looking out for you. If Apple can make more money by exploiting your privacy on top of getting you to pay more, they will do it, and they are doing it (why actually make a privacy-respecting product that ties Apple's hands when they can just have the marketing department claim that it's a privacy respecting product and have their cake and eat it too). The only reason Android has gotten away with less user exploitation is that Google is still not yet as top-down driven as Apple, so the hackers who work on Android can influence how the base system is made while just enabling the company's services teams to build what they want on top of that instead of directly into the base system, and the only reason Google still lets them get away with that is that Android initially had to be released as AOSP + vendor bits in order to bring other companies into the ecosystem, and it is now too expensive to change course.

GeekyBear 5y ago
>That is about aggregate purchases, which have no privacy implications at all Spying on everywhere you shop no matter which bank issues your card has no privacy implications at all? Sorry, but at this point I can't take you seriously.
- lern_too_spel 5y ago
  Of course it doesn't have any privacy implications if they don't know it was you who made the purchase. That's what "aggregate" implies.
  - GeekyBear 5y ago
    >Google Now Tracks Your Credit Card Purchases and Connects Them to Its Online Profile of You It's literally the headline of the article I've posted three times now. Connecting purchases to your user profile has nothing to do with aggregate data and everything to do with spying on individual users for a profit.
    - lern_too_spel 5y ago
      I see it now. This works whether you're using iOS or Android, so iOS remains strictly worse for privacy.
      - GeekyBear 5y ago
        It's Apple's fault Google spies on everyone's bank account? I suppose it's also Apple's fault that Google pressured device makers to hide the Android privacy settings, and ignored users when they turned off the setting Google told them would stop Android from tracking their location?
        lern_too_spel 5y ago
        > It's Apple's fault Google spies on everyone's bank account? It might be Apple's fault that you believe I said that. Try reading my comments on an Android phone, which gives you a choice of multiple working web browsers instead of just different skins of the same buggy browser engine. > Google pressured device makers to hide the Android privacy settings. That's funny. The privacy settings on Android are more easily accessible than the privacy settings on iOS, and they apply to all apps, not special-casing Apple apps like iOS does. > ignored users when they turned off the setting Google told them would stop Android from tracking their location? You're talking about two different settings in two different Google apps, not in Android. The really faulty thing is that there is no way to prevent iOS from sending your location to Apple at all unless you don't get your location on your iOS device at all. You keep trying to compare iOS to Google and failing. The correct comparison is iOS to Android, where iOS fails badly.