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But is the best way to keep a systemic off by one error for ever? Is this really the only way to allow people to get out of work earlier?

by ginko 5y ago

MisterBastahrd 5y ago
Why does it have to be a "one off error?" When's the last time you used a sundial to figure out the time down to a quarter hour or didn't have a device with you that gave you the current time? I think most people would agree on two things: (1) that having time after work to do things during daylight hours is ideal, and (2) that the work hours they already have are fine. A shift in working hours might be fine for childless adults, but it doesn't work for most people. People have to be present to get their kids ready for school or daycare, and you're never going to get teacher's unions to agree that they should be in the doors of a school by 6am to receive students. So... this fall, no shift. For now or ever. Boom, done. Yes, the days get a bit shorter, but you're still talking about a 6:45pm sunset in Texas, which gives people about 2 hours of active time in the evenings, which is preferable to the 45 minutes previously.
- ginko 5y ago
  > When's the last time you used a sundial to figure out the time down to a quarter hour or didn't have a device with you that gave you the current time? I live in Scandinavia some 500km South of the Arctic circle. Let me tell you that it's very obvious that the sun is one hour off at "midnight" in Summer. If we kept DST in Winter it would be even more noticeable. It would also mean that there'd be some 3 months per year where I need to go to and leave from work in complete darkness. At least right now I get to wake up to some sunlight in December. Daytime is fundamentally an astronomic concept. Proponents of permanent DST could at least be intellectually honest and admit they want everyone to get up an hour earlier rather than force everyone to pretend that 11am is actually 12pm. > Yes, the days get a bit shorter, but you're still talking about a 6:45pm sunset in Texas That's cute. I just walked back home from work and the sun was already setting here at 5:30. And it's still Autumn.
  - MisterBastahrd 5y ago
    That's cool, but this article is written by an American to an American audience with an American sensibility regarding daylight and time in general. What works best for us may not be what works best for you, and people in your country are free to set your time however you like.
    - ginko 5y ago
      I disagree. The US has states quite a lot further North and their decisions are also likely to affect Canadian timezone decisions. Furthermore the same discussion is taking place in the EU with countries in Central Europe on the Easternmost part of CET (in particular Germany) pushing for permanent DST, so take my opinion not as a Northern-European one but as a Northern one. To me it looks like it's mainly the Southernmost states and countries that are pushing for this. Which is especially strange since actual tropical countries don't seem to have issues with standard time.

But is the best way to keep a systemic off by one error for ever? Is this really the only way to allow people to get out of work earlier?

by ginko 5y ago

But is the best way to keep a systemic off by one error for ever? Is this really the only way to allow people to get out of work earlier?

MisterBastahrd 5y ago

Why does it have to be a "one off error?" When's the last time you used a sundial to figure out the time down to a quarter hour or didn't have a device with you that gave you the current time? I think most people would agree on two things: (1) that having time after work to do things during daylight hours is ideal, and (2) that the work hours they already have are fine. A shift in working hours might be fine for childless adults, but it doesn't work for most people. People have to be present to get their kids ready for school or daycare, and you're never going to get teacher's unions to agree that they should be in the doors of a school by 6am to receive students. So... this fall, no shift. For now or ever. Boom, done. Yes, the days get a bit shorter, but you're still talking about a 6:45pm sunset in Texas, which gives people about 2 hours of active time in the evenings, which is preferable to the 45 minutes previously.

ginko 5y ago
> When's the last time you used a sundial to figure out the time down to a quarter hour or didn't have a device with you that gave you the current time? I live in Scandinavia some 500km South of the Arctic circle. Let me tell you that it's very obvious that the sun is one hour off at "midnight" in Summer. If we kept DST in Winter it would be even more noticeable. It would also mean that there'd be some 3 months per year where I need to go to and leave from work in complete darkness. At least right now I get to wake up to some sunlight in December. Daytime is fundamentally an astronomic concept. Proponents of permanent DST could at least be intellectually honest and admit they want everyone to get up an hour earlier rather than force everyone to pretend that 11am is actually 12pm. > Yes, the days get a bit shorter, but you're still talking about a 6:45pm sunset in Texas That's cute. I just walked back home from work and the sun was already setting here at 5:30. And it's still Autumn.
- MisterBastahrd 5y ago
  That's cool, but this article is written by an American to an American audience with an American sensibility regarding daylight and time in general. What works best for us may not be what works best for you, and people in your country are free to set your time however you like.
  - ginko 5y ago
    I disagree. The US has states quite a lot further North and their decisions are also likely to affect Canadian timezone decisions. Furthermore the same discussion is taking place in the EU with countries in Central Europe on the Easternmost part of CET (in particular Germany) pushing for permanent DST, so take my opinion not as a Northern-European one but as a Northern one. To me it looks like it's mainly the Southernmost states and countries that are pushing for this. Which is especially strange since actual tropical countries don't seem to have issues with standard time.