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> and that if we all did our part We didn’t “all do our part”, though. Only 57% of the US population has been vaccinated. Insofar that any deal was made, we h

> and that if we all did our part We didn’t “all do our part”, though. Only 57% of the US population has been vaccinated. Insofar that any deal was made, we haven’t fulfilled our half of the bargain. The vaccines were never sold as something that would stop the virus in its tracks with only half the population vaccinated. They also weren’t sold as having unlimited durability. People needed to not only “do their part” but do it in a timely fashion. One unfortunate weakness of the vaccine is that it has to actually be injected to be effective.

Arnt 5y ago
To be fair, some vaccines offer lifetime protection and many people may not have realised how unusual that is. So since I don't recall the manufacturers emphasising that these vaccines were unlikely to offer lifetime protection, I can see one might make an unwarranted assumption. But I cannot see how one might be annoyed about it later.
scohesc 5y ago
What about the countries that did? There are quite a few countries that have 80%+ uptake rate (Singapore, Malta, UAE, Portugal are all around 85+% vaccinated)- are those countries going to mandate booster shots? You bet they are!
- brandon272 5y ago
  What about them? They will mandate booster shots because the need to protect from COVID still exists. No country exists in a vacuum. I guess where I'm lost is how the fact that these booster shots are needed is being treated as some sort of trick or "gotcha". The potential for 3rd boosters was talked about early on. This is not a surprise. It seems like people want a magical fix that takes COVID away and there isn't one. The currently available vaccines, perfect or imperfect, are our only practical path forward toward a degree of normalacy.
jdhn 5y ago
>The vaccines were never sold as something that would stop the virus in its tracks with only half the population vaccinated. They were sold as a cure that would allow the person who received the vaccine to go back to pre-covid times because they were protected. Now you have states like California mandating masks indoors even for vaccinated people, which goes against what everyone was told earlier this year. For those who are hesitant towards getting the shot, how would this make them any less hesitant?
- brandon272 5y ago
  > They were sold as a cure that would allow the person who received the vaccine to go back to pre-covid times because they were protected. No, they weren't. Perhaps some people chose to believe that's what the vaccines would offer but that's not what was sold in the media, governments or pharmaceutical companies. No one was calling it a cure. Effectively what some people are arguing is that they assumed that because the vaccines were miraculous (which they are), that they believed that they would offer complete,1 100% protection from infection and that people could return to normal. At some point in time personal responsibility has to come into play. The data has been available about vaccine effectiveness from early on. Something can be extremely effective but not be perfect. Some people seem not to be able to wrap their heads around that, adn when confronted with it, claim they're being scammed.
  - jdhn 5y ago
    >No, they weren't. In that case, what were they sold as? You already said what they weren't sold as, so now I'd like to know what they were sold as.
    - brandon272 5y ago
      They were sold as something that offered excellent but imperfect protection from COVID-19, which they do. If we look at the mainstream media in particular, analysis of the vaccines has ranged from "studies show this is really good" to "studies show this is okay" to "there's still things we don't know". I am aware of no mainstream media, research, government, political or industry sources claiming that the vaccine was some cure with unlimited durability. Happy to review any links to those claims if you have any.

Arnt 5y ago

To be fair, some vaccines offer lifetime protection and many people may not have realised how unusual that is. So since I don't recall the manufacturers emphasising that these vaccines were unlikely to offer lifetime protection, I can see one might make an unwarranted assumption. But I cannot see how one might be annoyed about it later.

scohesc 5y ago

What about the countries that did? There are quite a few countries that have 80%+ uptake rate (Singapore, Malta, UAE, Portugal are all around 85+% vaccinated)- are those countries going to mandate booster shots? You bet they are!

brandon272 5y ago
What about them? They will mandate booster shots because the need to protect from COVID still exists. No country exists in a vacuum. I guess where I'm lost is how the fact that these booster shots are needed is being treated as some sort of trick or "gotcha". The potential for 3rd boosters was talked about early on. This is not a surprise. It seems like people want a magical fix that takes COVID away and there isn't one. The currently available vaccines, perfect or imperfect, are our only practical path forward toward a degree of normalacy.

jdhn 5y ago

>The vaccines were never sold as something that would stop the virus in its tracks with only half the population vaccinated. They were sold as a cure that would allow the person who received the vaccine to go back to pre-covid times because they were protected. Now you have states like California mandating masks indoors even for vaccinated people, which goes against what everyone was told earlier this year. For those who are hesitant towards getting the shot, how would this make them any less hesitant?

brandon272 5y ago
> They were sold as a cure that would allow the person who received the vaccine to go back to pre-covid times because they were protected. No, they weren't. Perhaps some people chose to believe that's what the vaccines would offer but that's not what was sold in the media, governments or pharmaceutical companies. No one was calling it a cure. Effectively what some people are arguing is that they assumed that because the vaccines were miraculous (which they are), that they believed that they would offer complete,1 100% protection from infection and that people could return to normal. At some point in time personal responsibility has to come into play. The data has been available about vaccine effectiveness from early on. Something can be extremely effective but not be perfect. Some people seem not to be able to wrap their heads around that, adn when confronted with it, claim they're being scammed.
- jdhn 5y ago
  >No, they weren't. In that case, what were they sold as? You already said what they weren't sold as, so now I'd like to know what they were sold as.
  - brandon272 5y ago
    They were sold as something that offered excellent but imperfect protection from COVID-19, which they do. If we look at the mainstream media in particular, analysis of the vaccines has ranged from "studies show this is really good" to "studies show this is okay" to "there's still things we don't know". I am aware of no mainstream media, research, government, political or industry sources claiming that the vaccine was some cure with unlimited durability. Happy to review any links to those claims if you have any.