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Background App Refresh was added in iOS 7 which launched 8 years ago. I guess I could have said almost a decade ago. So, again, Apple only discussed scanning

Background App Refresh was added in iOS 7 which launched 8 years ago. I guess I could have said almost a decade ago. So, again, Apple only discussed scanning the iCloud Photos portion of their cloud service some time in the future, but NOTHING is being scanned now. Google, on the other hand, has been scanning everything in your account for the past decade. Also, documents from the discovery phase of Google's various antitrust trials show that Google has literally pressured device makers to hide the privacy settings from users. Google also buys a copy of everybody's credit/debit card transaction data so they can spy on your real world purchases as much as they spy on your online life. A company with surveillance capitalism as it's business model, like Google, will always be motivated to violate user privacy as much as possible. I don't know why you're still trying to pretend that Google's cloud service is separate from Android while Apple's cloud service is not separate from iOS?

lern_too_spel 5y ago
> So, again, Apple only discussed scanning the iCloud Photos portion of their cloud service some time in the future, but NOTHING is being scanned now. I acknowledged that. The point is that they admitted this is an oversight because they are already scanning iCloud Mail. Their intentions are exactly the same as Google's. They are merely less competent. Apple is also a surveillance capitalist, as I explained in my previous post, giving several examples. iOS even splits the privacy settings of Apple's apps from the privacy settings of all other apps to make it harder for users to control what little Apple lets them control. > Google also buys a copy of everybody's credit/debit card transaction data so they can spy on your real world purchases as much as they spy on your online life. Apple gets the exact same information for transactions completed with Apple Pay. Users have to opt in for Google to see this information. Once again, exactly the same. > I don't know why you're still trying to pretend that Google's cloud service is separate from Android while Apple's cloud service is not separate from iOS? I already explained why. I don't have to use Google services on Android. iOS ties me to Apple's privacy nightmare. I listed several other examples of Apple data collection on iOS that are unavoidable. Android, even in builds provided by Google, has none of those problems.
- GeekyBear 5y ago
  > Apple gets the exact same information for transactions completed with Apple Pay. Users have to opt in for Google to see this information. Once again, exactly the same. Nope. >Google has been able to track your location using Google Maps for a long time. Since 2014, it has used that information to provide advertisers with information on how often people visit their stores. But store visits aren’t purchases, so, as Google said in a blog post on its new service for marketers, it has partnered with “third parties” that give them access to 70 percent of all credit and debit card purchases. https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/05/25/242717/google-now-tracks-your-credit-card-purchases-and-connects-them-to-its-online-profile-of-you/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/05/25/242717/google-no... Buying a copy of everyone's credit card transaction data, no matter who they bank through, is not even close to the same. >I don't have to use Google services on Android. iOS ties me to Apple's privacy nightmare. Nope. Apple's cloud service is every bit as optional as Google's. The difference is that Google has been scanning everything in Google accounts for the past decade. Google and Facebook, as the pioneers of surveillance capitalism, are both privacy nightmares.
  - lern_too_spel 5y ago
    > Nope. Yep. > Buying a copy of everyone's credit card transaction data, no matter who they bank through, is not even close to the same. As I already explained, the user has to opt in to share that data with Google. The purchase is a deal with the credit card companies to send data that users have opted in to share. https://support.google.com/googlepay/answer/10845853?hl=en https://support.google.com/googlepay/answer/10845853?hl=en > Nope. Apple's cloud service is every bit as optional as Google's. You completely ignored my post explaining why they are not. To repeat myself from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28933939 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28933939: "You cannot even install an app on your device without giving Apple your billing details and letting them know you installed it, which is used for ads. You cannot get your location without also telling it to Apple. You cannot tell Apple not to track your WiFi SSID's location. You cannot uninstall Apple News, which is filled with user tracking for ads. On and on." Apple, Google, and Facebook are all privacy nightmares. The difference is that iOS forces that privacy nightmare on its users, while Android does not. Your comparison of Apple to Google is as irrelevant as it is incorrect.

lern_too_spel 5y ago

> So, again, Apple only discussed scanning the iCloud Photos portion of their cloud service some time in the future, but NOTHING is being scanned now. I acknowledged that. The point is that they admitted this is an oversight because they are already scanning iCloud Mail. Their intentions are exactly the same as Google's. They are merely less competent. Apple is also a surveillance capitalist, as I explained in my previous post, giving several examples. iOS even splits the privacy settings of Apple's apps from the privacy settings of all other apps to make it harder for users to control what little Apple lets them control. > Google also buys a copy of everybody's credit/debit card transaction data so they can spy on your real world purchases as much as they spy on your online life. Apple gets the exact same information for transactions completed with Apple Pay. Users have to opt in for Google to see this information. Once again, exactly the same. > I don't know why you're still trying to pretend that Google's cloud service is separate from Android while Apple's cloud service is not separate from iOS? I already explained why. I don't have to use Google services on Android. iOS ties me to Apple's privacy nightmare. I listed several other examples of Apple data collection on iOS that are unavoidable. Android, even in builds provided by Google, has none of those problems.

GeekyBear 5y ago
> Apple gets the exact same information for transactions completed with Apple Pay. Users have to opt in for Google to see this information. Once again, exactly the same. Nope. >Google has been able to track your location using Google Maps for a long time. Since 2014, it has used that information to provide advertisers with information on how often people visit their stores. But store visits aren’t purchases, so, as Google said in a blog post on its new service for marketers, it has partnered with “third parties” that give them access to 70 percent of all credit and debit card purchases. https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/05/25/242717/google-now-tracks-your-credit-card-purchases-and-connects-them-to-its-online-profile-of-you/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/05/25/242717/google-no... Buying a copy of everyone's credit card transaction data, no matter who they bank through, is not even close to the same. >I don't have to use Google services on Android. iOS ties me to Apple's privacy nightmare. Nope. Apple's cloud service is every bit as optional as Google's. The difference is that Google has been scanning everything in Google accounts for the past decade. Google and Facebook, as the pioneers of surveillance capitalism, are both privacy nightmares.
- lern_too_spel 5y ago
  > Nope. Yep. > Buying a copy of everyone's credit card transaction data, no matter who they bank through, is not even close to the same. As I already explained, the user has to opt in to share that data with Google. The purchase is a deal with the credit card companies to send data that users have opted in to share. https://support.google.com/googlepay/answer/10845853?hl=en https://support.google.com/googlepay/answer/10845853?hl=en > Nope. Apple's cloud service is every bit as optional as Google's. You completely ignored my post explaining why they are not. To repeat myself from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28933939 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28933939: "You cannot even install an app on your device without giving Apple your billing details and letting them know you installed it, which is used for ads. You cannot get your location without also telling it to Apple. You cannot tell Apple not to track your WiFi SSID's location. You cannot uninstall Apple News, which is filled with user tracking for ads. On and on." Apple, Google, and Facebook are all privacy nightmares. The difference is that iOS forces that privacy nightmare on its users, while Android does not. Your comparison of Apple to Google is as irrelevant as it is incorrect.