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Ahem, How the hell are you supposed to feed yourself ? Not everyone has enough savings, some have family responsibilities as well.

retube 15y ago
Yeah, agreed. It's all very well pontificating about the unjustness of having a crappy job, being "under-paid", not doing anything "worthwhile" or apparently bettering mankind. But I know from personal experience that having any job, any job at all, and earning a crust is a damn sight better than earning nothing at all.
- pavel_lishin 15y ago
  Depression beats starvation any day of the week.
JoeAltmaier 15y ago
I get the point, but nobody has to go hungry in America. There's food for you if you just ask. My old Minister used to say "A person can have all the morals they can afford". Applies to out-of-work folks, and to America as well - we need not let anyone go hungry.
- rexreed 15y ago
  Spoken like someone who doesn't have a family to feed, clothe, and/or shelter.
  - JoeAltmaier 15y ago
    Huh? 51 years old, putting 3 through college. Been out of work for 6 months at a time. Currently dissolved my consulting business to go back to work for "the man" (though truthfully am vesting equity, not all bad). I understand sheltering the family can be a burden, yes. But hungry? Never. Lets use some other euphemism for hardship. Your family, church, community, government will not let you go hungry if you have the wit to stand in line.
    - rexreed 15y ago
      But when you have those obligations is being unemployed REALLY better than having a crappy job? Waiting in a dole line, living on the edge, and not being able to support a family just because being unemployed is better than a bad job? I think the reality is that many people can't make these sorts of decisions - many people have to take jobs because they have obligations. And to simply not take a job because it's better to be unemployed while supporting a family doesn't make sense.
      - JoeAltmaier 15y ago
        Agreed. All that is harder to bear than hunger. To give up a job, willing to go on the dole instead, is selfish. Some folks have morals that won't permit taking a handout when you are able-bodied and the job is there. As a programmer/architect and sometimes-startup-founder, I have always been in a position to be unemployed for a year or two at a time without any money problems. Not everyone has that buffer.

retube 15y ago

Yeah, agreed. It's all very well pontificating about the unjustness of having a crappy job, being "under-paid", not doing anything "worthwhile" or apparently bettering mankind. But I know from personal experience that having any job, any job at all, and earning a crust is a damn sight better than earning nothing at all.

pavel_lishin 15y ago
Depression beats starvation any day of the week.

JoeAltmaier 15y ago

I get the point, but nobody has to go hungry in America. There's food for you if you just ask. My old Minister used to say "A person can have all the morals they can afford". Applies to out-of-work folks, and to America as well - we need not let anyone go hungry.

rexreed 15y ago
Spoken like someone who doesn't have a family to feed, clothe, and/or shelter.
- JoeAltmaier 15y ago
  Huh? 51 years old, putting 3 through college. Been out of work for 6 months at a time. Currently dissolved my consulting business to go back to work for "the man" (though truthfully am vesting equity, not all bad). I understand sheltering the family can be a burden, yes. But hungry? Never. Lets use some other euphemism for hardship. Your family, church, community, government will not let you go hungry if you have the wit to stand in line.
  - rexreed 15y ago
    But when you have those obligations is being unemployed REALLY better than having a crappy job? Waiting in a dole line, living on the edge, and not being able to support a family just because being unemployed is better than a bad job? I think the reality is that many people can't make these sorts of decisions - many people have to take jobs because they have obligations. And to simply not take a job because it's better to be unemployed while supporting a family doesn't make sense.
    - JoeAltmaier 15y ago
      Agreed. All that is harder to bear than hunger. To give up a job, willing to go on the dole instead, is selfish. Some folks have morals that won't permit taking a handout when you are able-bodied and the job is there. As a programmer/architect and sometimes-startup-founder, I have always been in a position to be unemployed for a year or two at a time without any money problems. Not everyone has that buffer.