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The article cites the recent murder of politician David Amess as the purpose for revisiting discussions about banning anonymity on social networks. But Amess w

The article cites the recent murder of politician David Amess as the purpose for revisiting discussions about banning anonymity on social networks. But Amess was stabbed to death by a Somali migrant with ‘religious and ideological motivations’. What does that have to do with social media anonymity?

sharklazer 5y ago
Nothing. They simply continue to propagate the surveillance state.
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colpabar 5y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/18/pm-urged-to-enact-davids-law-against-social-media-abuse-after-amesss-death https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/18/pm-urged-to-... >While police are investigating whether there are any links to Islamist extremism and have not connected the killing to the targeting of MPs online, allies of Amess said he had voiced growing concern about threats and toxicity within public discourse as they demanded a crackdown. >Francois, the MP for Rayleigh and Wickford, which neighbours Amess’s Southend West constituency, added: “I suggest that if we want to ensure that our colleague didn’t die in vain, we collectively all of us pick up the baton, regardless of our party and take the forthcoming online harms bill and toughen it up markedly. So there is absolutely no link between his murder and seemingly any online activity, but they're still going to use his murder to to justify... harsher punishment for being mean to government employees online? Never let a crisis go to waste I guess.
- sharklazer 5y ago
  > So there is absolutely no link between his murder and seemingly any online activity, but they're still going to use his murder to to justify... harsher punishment for being mean to government employees online? Never let a crisis go to waste I guess. Hitting the nail on the head.
- Dma54rhs 5y ago
  This is long lost fight, anonymity in the UK because under the banner of racism the vast majority of them want to get rid of it and footballers who rally it are very influential. It's just a matter of time.
twofornone 5y ago
Its offensive to me that if a white guy had stabbed anyone left of center, headlines would gleefully have rushed to announce far right/white supremacist terrorism, even prematurely; but when a white christian politician is targeted by a muslim immigrant, in a fucking church no less, not only do you not see "terrorism" in any headline, the vast majority of outlets fail to even describe the attacker beyond age and sex. Especially British publications. I had suspected that it was a minority specifically because of the cryptic reporting of the incident, and it turns out you're right, now that a handful of US/international outlets have been willing to provide details. And this article is part of a pattern of deflection. I watch Al Jazeera and they had the gall to interview three different minority MPs and heavily imply that minorities are being targeted. This collective demonization of a global minority by western outlets, together with the gaslighting that whites (and especially white christians) aren't being targeted, is not going to end well. If you want to argue that its a deserved comeuppance that's one thing, but the way that these outlets implicitly collude to protect the identity of minority, and only minority attackers, is underhanded and dishonest.
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015UUZn8aEvW 5y ago
Anonymous people online might use this murder as an argument for limiting immigration. "As horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that's worse."
ydhdbridjnd 5y ago
Nothing. There's a very common pattern you see in political responses to outrages and tragedies which is: Something terrible has happened. Something must be done. X is something. Therefore X must be done. It doesn't actually matter what X is, the important thing for the government is to be seen to be doing something. In reality the calls by UK politicians to end online anonymity will fizzle out in a few weeks once the media cycle moves on, as it's not something they can really do without spending an immense amount of time, money and political capital. In the mean time there will be a flurry of articles like this one rehashing debates that have been going on ever since the first troll posted the first comment on a BBS.
- kfprt 5y ago
  More often X is something the existing authoritarians want so the solution to basically anything immediately jumps to the already proposed and planned X. The event is just the excuse and the details irrelevant.

sharklazer 5y ago

Nothing. They simply continue to propagate the surveillance state.

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colpabar 5y ago

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/18/pm-urged-to-enact-davids-law-against-social-media-abuse-after-amesss-death https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/18/pm-urged-to-... >While police are investigating whether there are any links to Islamist extremism and have not connected the killing to the targeting of MPs online, allies of Amess said he had voiced growing concern about threats and toxicity within public discourse as they demanded a crackdown. >Francois, the MP for Rayleigh and Wickford, which neighbours Amess’s Southend West constituency, added: “I suggest that if we want to ensure that our colleague didn’t die in vain, we collectively all of us pick up the baton, regardless of our party and take the forthcoming online harms bill and toughen it up markedly. So there is absolutely no link between his murder and seemingly any online activity, but they're still going to use his murder to to justify... harsher punishment for being mean to government employees online? Never let a crisis go to waste I guess.

sharklazer 5y ago
> So there is absolutely no link between his murder and seemingly any online activity, but they're still going to use his murder to to justify... harsher punishment for being mean to government employees online? Never let a crisis go to waste I guess. Hitting the nail on the head.
Dma54rhs 5y ago
This is long lost fight, anonymity in the UK because under the banner of racism the vast majority of them want to get rid of it and footballers who rally it are very influential. It's just a matter of time.

twofornone 5y ago

Its offensive to me that if a white guy had stabbed anyone left of center, headlines would gleefully have rushed to announce far right/white supremacist terrorism, even prematurely; but when a white christian politician is targeted by a muslim immigrant, in a fucking church no less, not only do you not see "terrorism" in any headline, the vast majority of outlets fail to even describe the attacker beyond age and sex. Especially British publications. I had suspected that it was a minority specifically because of the cryptic reporting of the incident, and it turns out you're right, now that a handful of US/international outlets have been willing to provide details. And this article is part of a pattern of deflection. I watch Al Jazeera and they had the gall to interview three different minority MPs and heavily imply that minorities are being targeted. This collective demonization of a global minority by western outlets, together with the gaslighting that whites (and especially white christians) aren't being targeted, is not going to end well. If you want to argue that its a deserved comeuppance that's one thing, but the way that these outlets implicitly collude to protect the identity of minority, and only minority attackers, is underhanded and dishonest.

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015UUZn8aEvW 5y ago

Anonymous people online might use this murder as an argument for limiting immigration. "As horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that's worse."

ydhdbridjnd 5y ago

Nothing. There's a very common pattern you see in political responses to outrages and tragedies which is: Something terrible has happened. Something must be done. X is something. Therefore X must be done. It doesn't actually matter what X is, the important thing for the government is to be seen to be doing something. In reality the calls by UK politicians to end online anonymity will fizzle out in a few weeks once the media cycle moves on, as it's not something they can really do without spending an immense amount of time, money and political capital. In the mean time there will be a flurry of articles like this one rehashing debates that have been going on ever since the first troll posted the first comment on a BBS.

kfprt 5y ago
More often X is something the existing authoritarians want so the solution to basically anything immediately jumps to the already proposed and planned X. The event is just the excuse and the details irrelevant.