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I don’t know… my Nextdoor group is pretty abusive to certain groups at times, and people post happily with their real life name and the rough area of where they

by chomp 5y ago

I don’t know… my Nextdoor group is pretty abusive to certain groups at times, and people post happily with their real life name and the rough area of where they live attached. Hate towards an individual person isn’t super common, but it happens. If this extrapolates, I can’t see removing anonymity doing much other than e.g. hurting LGBT groups online (imagine asking questions as a member of that group in a conservative community and forced to use your real name)

formerly_proven 5y ago
> I can’t see removing anonymity doing much other than e.g. hurting LGBT groups online (imagine asking questions as a member of that group in a conservative community and forced to use your real name) Consider that this could be one of the motivations behind the push for things like this.
- colpabar 5y ago
  In all seriousness, do you really think that any current western government is anti-lgbt? Do you have any examples?
  - formerly_proven 5y ago
    I don't think you can generally expect LGBT support from western governments at large. However, I didn't actually mean the governments themselves with my comment above, but the various christian and puritan lobbying groups.
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    Yes, in parts of Europe certainly and many state governments as well. Casual homophobia remained "in" in the US until at least 2010, which is not all that long ago.
  - tlholaday 5y ago
    Yes. Search “Public Facilities Privacy & Security Act North Carolina”
  - guerrilla 5y ago
    Why would it matter if it's a government if it's public? Also, yes, definitely. Hungary and Poland on the extreme end to start with but really all of the Catholic and Orthodox countries to some degree not to mention some US states and rural areas even in northern Europe...
CapitalistCartr 5y ago
Nextdoor has had enormous racism/bigotry problems. They have had to revamp a variety of their interfaces to minimize this problem. It's like they have to do A/B testing to minimize it. Real identity doesn't do anything to slow down the oblivious.
- neartheplain 5y ago
  >Nextdoor has had enormous racism/bigotry problems. Could you provide some concrete examples? I've used Nextdoor regularly in three major US metropolitan areas, and I have yet to see anything like an "enormous racism/bigotry problem." If anything, I see sanctimonious neighbors calling each other racist at the drop of a hat.
- Factorium 5y ago
  https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2&selYrs=2019&rdoGroups=1&rdoData=rp https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2&selY... 51% of Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter is committed by about 7% of the US population. This is directly from Government data. There are real biological factors identified for this discrepancy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    The obvious factor behind this discrepancy is the distribution of resources in the real world, as well as the fact that organized violent drug crime is mostly operated out of black communities (again: poverty). This allele you've identified as the genetic reason for white superiority is most common among Asian men.
  - tristor 5y ago
    I think you are overstating your case, and I question the motivations for doing so. The vast majority of people with either the 2R or 3R allele have not committed any criminal acts, and in fact the 3R allele is heavily associated to the type of risk taking behavior that is often rewarded in society. There may be a correlation between those who end up committing criminal acts and their gene expression, but it alone is not a causative factor and it's completely unsupported by evidence to make such a claim. Stronger causative factors are environmental, such as poverty, which has a direct causative relationship with criminal behavior.
NoraCodes 5y ago
Yes, this is the conclusion of the article as well.
throwaway879080 5y ago
from my experience it's more dangerous to ask a question as a conservative in a pro-LGBTQ+ group
Schiendelman 5y ago
Nextdoor is a really interesting case because it limits the conversation to people in your immediate neighborhood. Because of that, it creates an inherent ingroup/outgroup dynamic that doesn’t exist on most social media. In other systems, you have to create that through some kind of signaling. As a result, that dynamic overwhelms other topics.

by chomp 5y ago

formerly_proven 5y ago

> I can’t see removing anonymity doing much other than e.g. hurting LGBT groups online (imagine asking questions as a member of that group in a conservative community and forced to use your real name) Consider that this could be one of the motivations behind the push for things like this.

colpabar 5y ago
In all seriousness, do you really think that any current western government is anti-lgbt? Do you have any examples?
- formerly_proven 5y ago
  I don't think you can generally expect LGBT support from western governments at large. However, I didn't actually mean the governments themselves with my comment above, but the various christian and puritan lobbying groups.
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  Yes, in parts of Europe certainly and many state governments as well. Casual homophobia remained "in" in the US until at least 2010, which is not all that long ago.
- tlholaday 5y ago
  Yes. Search “Public Facilities Privacy & Security Act North Carolina”
- guerrilla 5y ago
  Why would it matter if it's a government if it's public? Also, yes, definitely. Hungary and Poland on the extreme end to start with but really all of the Catholic and Orthodox countries to some degree not to mention some US states and rural areas even in northern Europe...

CapitalistCartr 5y ago

Nextdoor has had enormous racism/bigotry problems. They have had to revamp a variety of their interfaces to minimize this problem. It's like they have to do A/B testing to minimize it. Real identity doesn't do anything to slow down the oblivious.

neartheplain 5y ago
>Nextdoor has had enormous racism/bigotry problems. Could you provide some concrete examples? I've used Nextdoor regularly in three major US metropolitan areas, and I have yet to see anything like an "enormous racism/bigotry problem." If anything, I see sanctimonious neighbors calling each other racist at the drop of a hat.
Factorium 5y ago
https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2&selYrs=2019&rdoGroups=1&rdoData=rp https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2&selY... 51% of Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter is committed by about 7% of the US population. This is directly from Government data. There are real biological factors identified for this discrepancy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  The obvious factor behind this discrepancy is the distribution of resources in the real world, as well as the fact that organized violent drug crime is mostly operated out of black communities (again: poverty). This allele you've identified as the genetic reason for white superiority is most common among Asian men.
- tristor 5y ago
  I think you are overstating your case, and I question the motivations for doing so. The vast majority of people with either the 2R or 3R allele have not committed any criminal acts, and in fact the 3R allele is heavily associated to the type of risk taking behavior that is often rewarded in society. There may be a correlation between those who end up committing criminal acts and their gene expression, but it alone is not a causative factor and it's completely unsupported by evidence to make such a claim. Stronger causative factors are environmental, such as poverty, which has a direct causative relationship with criminal behavior.

NoraCodes 5y ago

Yes, this is the conclusion of the article as well.

throwaway879080 5y ago

from my experience it's more dangerous to ask a question as a conservative in a pro-LGBTQ+ group

Schiendelman 5y ago

Nextdoor is a really interesting case because it limits the conversation to people in your immediate neighborhood. Because of that, it creates an inherent ingroup/outgroup dynamic that doesn’t exist on most social media. In other systems, you have to create that through some kind of signaling. As a result, that dynamic overwhelms other topics.