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> Windows, that is even in 2021 is still a clanky garbage. That's how I feel about macOS. It's for people who prioritize maximum animations over speed. For exa

> Windows, that is even in 2021 is still a clanky garbage. That's how I feel about macOS. It's for people who prioritize maximum animations over speed. For example, Finder is so slow compared to Windows Explorer. I love Windows. I love the customizability I love the speed, and even 15 years ago, there were 10X more software package for Windows than Mac. I hear that macOS in recent years (after 2019?) even allows you to change the drab grey color of the menu bar? That's progress! Maybe by 2030, they will allow you to move the menu bar to a vertical orientation because that's how a lot of people prefer it; there's less vertical space than horizontal on most monitors. I honestly cannot understand how one can stand this stifling arrangement where you are told, "This is how it is, we know better".

ubermonkey 5y ago
Do you mean the File/Edit/View menu bar, or the Dock? The Dock has been configurable forEVER. I ran it on the side for many years before switching back to the bottom.
- vijucat 5y ago
  Yes, the File/Edit/View menu bar that has to be at the top.
  - ubermonkey 5y ago
    I have never even heard of someone wanting this, let alone doing it. Are you saying you do this in Windows programs?
    - vijucat 5y ago
      This very discussion shows that two people can have differing opinions and thus, the choice should be left to the user. That is my main point. Now, on a completely different note : a little bit more about the Vertical layout. Here are two articles with screenshots. It's awesome and now I can't go back to Horizontal taskbar ever. https://www.groovypost.com/howto/howto/vertical-vs-horizontal-windows-taskbar-22947/ https://www.groovypost.com/howto/howto/vertical-vs-horizonta... https://adamhollett.com/posts/2014/02/move-your-taskbar-to-the-side/ https://adamhollett.com/posts/2014/02/move-your-taskbar-to-t...
      - ubermonkey 5y ago
        Those articles are about the Windows Taskbar, not the menu I was talking about. This is what I was trying to clarify in my earlier question, when I asked "Do you mean the File/Edit/View menu bar, or the Dock?" You insisted at the time that you meant the MENU bar, not the Dock, but now it appears that was incorrect. This got a little long, but the tl;dr here is that you are confused on terms, and that the thing you say can't be moved on the Mac absolutely can be, and always could be. -- One of the ways in which Win and MacOS are different is that, in MacOS, the File/Edit/View menu is always across the top of the screen, not bound to a specific window. I'm typing this in Firefox. I have several Firefox windows open, but NONE of them have a File menu. The menus for Firefox are across the top of my monitor. In Windows, by contast, this menu is part of each window spawned by a given application. Most modern Windows programs use the Ribbon style menu, but some older or less-updated tools (e.g., SQL Server Management Studio) use the old-style. If I were doing this post on Firefox on Windows, each of my Firefox windows would have its own File/Edit/View menu. In both Mac and Windows, this menu is always in this known position -- ie, on a Mac, it's across the top of the screen; on Windows, it's part of the top of each app window. It cannot be moved (to the best of my knowledge). What YOU are talking about (and what those articles are talking about) is called the Taskbar in Windows. The analogous item in MacOS is the Dock. In both systems, the default location is the bottom of the screen, and in both systems it is possible to change this. -> In Windows, the Taskbar can be placed on the bottom (default), either side, or across the top of the screen. -> In MacOS, the Dock can be placed on either side or the bottom; you can't put it on the top of the screen because it would interfere with the aforementioned File/Edit/View menu. --> In NEITHER OS is it possible to reposition the File/Edit/View menu.
        vijucat 5y ago
        You are right. I think the confusion arises because this Menu bar at the top mixes up the File/Edit/View menu to the left and the bluetooth and WiFi icons to the right. When you minimize all windows, what does this top bar show? How do you access the WiFi icon if all windows are minimized and this top bar is disappeared? Sorry, the last time I used a macOS was in 2017. (Also, to the extreme left of this Menu bar is the Apple icon which can be used to access the "System Preferences". I guess this mixing of system-wide and program-specific menu options doesn't bother macOS folks.)
konart 5y ago
>That's how I feel about macOS. It's for people who prioritize maximum animations over speed. For example, Finder is so slow compared to Windows Explorer. I love Windows. I love the customizability I love the speed, and even 15 years ago, there were 10X more software package for Windows than Mac. Well, I don't have windows at hand, but Finder on my 2019 MPBr opens in much less than a second. Maybe Explorer opens 3 time faster but what's the point? Yes, I do prioritise speed over animations (linux is clearly a winner when it comes to animations by the way, macOS has just a few by default) when it really matters. >there were 10X more software package for Windows than Mac. Quality over quantity. I do agree that macOS lacks in a few departments but most of the time this is due to the closed-garden-like nature. Windows has things like Rufus and other tools because it has to play jack of all trades role. macOS is free of this. Like it or not. >I love the customizability This is understandable. I love this on linux too. Now I just don't have the time nor do I care rally. I'd prefer an OS that gives me 80% of what I need\want for 10% of my time rather than an OS that requires me to spend 50% of my time for all those tweaks.

ubermonkey 5y ago

Do you mean the File/Edit/View menu bar, or the Dock? The Dock has been configurable forEVER. I ran it on the side for many years before switching back to the bottom.

vijucat 5y ago
Yes, the File/Edit/View menu bar that has to be at the top.
- ubermonkey 5y ago
  I have never even heard of someone wanting this, let alone doing it. Are you saying you do this in Windows programs?
  - vijucat 5y ago
    This very discussion shows that two people can have differing opinions and thus, the choice should be left to the user. That is my main point. Now, on a completely different note : a little bit more about the Vertical layout. Here are two articles with screenshots. It's awesome and now I can't go back to Horizontal taskbar ever. https://www.groovypost.com/howto/howto/vertical-vs-horizontal-windows-taskbar-22947/ https://www.groovypost.com/howto/howto/vertical-vs-horizonta... https://adamhollett.com/posts/2014/02/move-your-taskbar-to-the-side/ https://adamhollett.com/posts/2014/02/move-your-taskbar-to-t...
    - ubermonkey 5y ago
      Those articles are about the Windows Taskbar, not the menu I was talking about. This is what I was trying to clarify in my earlier question, when I asked "Do you mean the File/Edit/View menu bar, or the Dock?" You insisted at the time that you meant the MENU bar, not the Dock, but now it appears that was incorrect. This got a little long, but the tl;dr here is that you are confused on terms, and that the thing you say can't be moved on the Mac absolutely can be, and always could be. -- One of the ways in which Win and MacOS are different is that, in MacOS, the File/Edit/View menu is always across the top of the screen, not bound to a specific window. I'm typing this in Firefox. I have several Firefox windows open, but NONE of them have a File menu. The menus for Firefox are across the top of my monitor. In Windows, by contast, this menu is part of each window spawned by a given application. Most modern Windows programs use the Ribbon style menu, but some older or less-updated tools (e.g., SQL Server Management Studio) use the old-style. If I were doing this post on Firefox on Windows, each of my Firefox windows would have its own File/Edit/View menu. In both Mac and Windows, this menu is always in this known position -- ie, on a Mac, it's across the top of the screen; on Windows, it's part of the top of each app window. It cannot be moved (to the best of my knowledge). What YOU are talking about (and what those articles are talking about) is called the Taskbar in Windows. The analogous item in MacOS is the Dock. In both systems, the default location is the bottom of the screen, and in both systems it is possible to change this. -> In Windows, the Taskbar can be placed on the bottom (default), either side, or across the top of the screen. -> In MacOS, the Dock can be placed on either side or the bottom; you can't put it on the top of the screen because it would interfere with the aforementioned File/Edit/View menu. --> In NEITHER OS is it possible to reposition the File/Edit/View menu.
      - vijucat 5y ago
        You are right. I think the confusion arises because this Menu bar at the top mixes up the File/Edit/View menu to the left and the bluetooth and WiFi icons to the right. When you minimize all windows, what does this top bar show? How do you access the WiFi icon if all windows are minimized and this top bar is disappeared? Sorry, the last time I used a macOS was in 2017. (Also, to the extreme left of this Menu bar is the Apple icon which can be used to access the "System Preferences". I guess this mixing of system-wide and program-specific menu options doesn't bother macOS folks.)

konart 5y ago

>That's how I feel about macOS. It's for people who prioritize maximum animations over speed. For example, Finder is so slow compared to Windows Explorer. I love Windows. I love the customizability I love the speed, and even 15 years ago, there were 10X more software package for Windows than Mac. Well, I don't have windows at hand, but Finder on my 2019 MPBr opens in much less than a second. Maybe Explorer opens 3 time faster but what's the point? Yes, I do prioritise speed over animations (linux is clearly a winner when it comes to animations by the way, macOS has just a few by default) when it really matters. >there were 10X more software package for Windows than Mac. Quality over quantity. I do agree that macOS lacks in a few departments but most of the time this is due to the closed-garden-like nature. Windows has things like Rufus and other tools because it has to play jack of all trades role. macOS is free of this. Like it or not. >I love the customizability This is understandable. I love this on linux too. Now I just don't have the time nor do I care rally. I'd prefer an OS that gives me 80% of what I need\want for 10% of my time rather than an OS that requires me to spend 50% of my time for all those tweaks.