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I have always found that amusing. What a god complex that guy has. But hey if it works it works.

by vadfa 5y ago

bwb 5y ago
It doesn't work so well for muslims in India... https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/21/india-muslims-deported-terrified-citizenship-amendment-act-caa/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/21/india-muslims-deported-... https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2021/country-chapters/india https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2021/country-chapters/india
- samarthr1 5y ago
  I think you may find that when illegal migrants get deported, the security of the nation improves... I live in Hyderabad, the place where the Dilsukhnagar blasts happened. Don't remember hearing of any major jihadist attacks on the past seven years or so... Success of a government no?
  - bwb 5y ago
    They are not illegal migrants, they are people who live there and don't have paperwork and are being pushed out by a Hindu nationalist led government. If your definition of government success is a lack of terrorist attacks which are already insanely rare I fear for democracy wherever you live. People often trade security for freedom and find out the result of that decision far too late in the process.
- vadfa 5y ago
  One has to start wondering why things don't work so well for Muslims anywhere in the world.
  - bwb 5y ago
    That is a very broad statement, what do you mean? In India specifically they are a religious minority so there are some very troubling things happening by what looks to be a growing Hindu nationalist state that is tearing down a multi-religious and multi-cultural democracy.
    - sinyug 5y ago
      > Hindu nationalist state that is tearing down a multi-religious and multi-cultural democracy. India is "multi-religious" and "multi-cultural" because the Hindus are a peaceful people. They have rarely invaded foreign lands. Instead, they have accepted people from other religions as well as those who fled the persecutions at the hands of followers of Abrahamic religions and let them construct their places of worship. You won't find a single Hindu temple in Mecca or Medina or Vatican City but you will find a million mosques and churches across India including in the holiest sites of Hinduism. But no good deed goes unpunished. And so the millennia-long persecution of Hindus, their traditions and their religion continues in their own lands.[1][2] There is another component to this Hinduphobia which is anti-semitic at the same time, the Islamic eschatological prophecy of Ghazwa-e-Hind[3][4][5], wherein it is believed that an Army of Islam will start from Jerusalem in Palestine (which is, of course, under the illegal occupation of Israel), march upon and conquer Rome (Christianity). Once that is accomplished, a second Army will invade and conquer India, plunder its riches and drag its kings/leaders in chains to the Levant/Damascus. But this will only occur when the city where the Al-Aqsa Mosque is located is again under Islamic rule. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Bangladesh_communal_violence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Bangladesh_communal_viole... [3] What is Ghazwa-e-Hind? Exposing the evil doctrine to eliminate Hindus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jNBgRd5pCg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jNBgRd5pCg) [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ghazwa-e-Hind&oldid=850331893 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ghazwa-e-Hind&old... [5] Ghazwa Al Hind/Pakistan, India and Kashmir, WW3 - Asrar Rashid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdgMTKHswIw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdgMTKHswIw)
      - bwb 5y ago
        What is your point with this? That because other religions are bad, Hinduism should shift to that model? :) I hope not, but I am not clear on what you mean here...
  - gremloni 5y ago
    I used to think the same way until I saw the value in having a martial culture. There’s something about a people that don’t bow their heads.
- screye 5y ago
  I dont see why it is wrong to be deported if you illegally entered the country. Some may argue that it specifically deports muslims instead of Hindus. However, Hindus are liteally being lynched in each of the neighboring muslim majority countries (Pakistan, Bangladesh). It makes sense that India serves as the primary country to accept hindu refugees. The Indian refugee program also protects blaspheming muslims who have fatwas against them due ot pointing out backwards atiitutes in the religion. On the contrary, average Bangladeshi muslims have neither economic (Bangladesh is marginally richer) nor societal (Bangladesh is a religious ethnostate for bengalis) reason to immigrate or seek refuge. Thus, India aims to correctly deport them back to their nation. It is incredibly irritating to see people signal, as if the moral worth of immigration is determined and as if immigration is a good in and of itself. Bengal is among Indias most deteriorated states since its golden years as the british center of operations. Statistically, the influx of immigrats certainly has not helped.
  - bwb 5y ago
    They didn't enter illegally, please read up on the issue and this article as the countries didn't have borders until after independence so this has and many times this is because they don't have paperwork or proof even if they are from the region. It is an attempt by the government to remove poor Muslim populations from India and blatant religious persecution. The current government in India is going from a democracy to a Hindu nationalist state.
    - screye 5y ago
      > countries didn't have borders until after independence This only applies to anyone who entered after 1971, by when the borders were well established. > attempt by the government to remove poor Muslim populations from India and blatant religious persecution That is the allegation from the opposition. The current government denies that and only anyone who entered illegally after 1971 (in accordance with the assam accords) would not be granted full citizenship. It is hilarious that you consider this religious persecution, when the accusers themselves (The INC) were the ones that came up with this bell in the first place for Assam. The act also does not allocate any special funding to deportation. This means that while some groups would have gotten citizenship, others would have remained just as illegal as they were before this. There was a lot of misinformation around the act, but the idea that the entire muslim population without documentation would be deported was not just overblown, it was straight up lying. Western establishment media loves to jump to conclusions on something that there was no indication would happen, and have continued attacking a strawman that has never existed. > The current government in India is going from a democracy to a Hindu nationalist state. There is zero indication that this is the case. The Modi Govt. is trying to actively privatize India and that goes actively against the RSS's isolationist ideals. This Govt. is giving opportunities to lower castes that the Congress would never even let stand among them. The party is not nepotistic and rewards grassroots merit instead of the monarchy that India has seen with the Gandhi family for 60 years. If anything, India is far more democratic today than ever. As for the political power of Muslims, there is a huge caste issue within there that is not addressed at all. The majority of muslims in power are those that trace their roots to upper castes or timurid/persian/afghan invaders. They refer to themselves as Ashraf, and adopt a noticeably non-indic identity. They constitute 15% of all muslims in India, but control the vast vast majority of institutional power for muslims. On the other hand, the common folk who converted, also referred to as Pasmanda get zero representation despite constituting 85% of the population. [1] [2] [3] Historically, the Congress has loved to give a lot of power to Ashraf Muslims. Modi has stopped giving them the time of day. That is true. IMO, it reflects the last cry of an old elite who have realized that there will be no more free lunch. At the grass roots, Modi has actually increased funding towards poor muslims [4] and has maintained every special accomodation given to them throughout his term. The CAA would have given much needed protections to hindu minorities across the border that are being mercilessly slaughtered by muslim fundamentalists that are far more radical than any form of Hindu fundamentalism that exists today. [5] [6] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8_6ryRZcU0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8_6ryRZcU0 [2] https://theprint.in/opinion/indias-muslim-community-under-a-churn-85-backward-pasmandas-up-against-15-ashrafs/234599/ https://theprint.in/opinion/indias-muslim-community-under-a-... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among_South_Asian_Muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among_South_Asian... [4] https://theprint.in/india/more-muslims-govt-scholarships-modi-govt-congress-upa/308154/ https://theprint.in/india/more-muslims-govt-scholarships-mod... [5] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/mob-burns-down-20-hindu-homes-in-bangladeshs-rangpur-report/articleshow/87096307.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/mob-bur... [6] https://indianexpress.com/article/india/durga-puja-procession-car-accident-16-critical-7574142/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/durga-puja-processio...
screye 5y ago
Cult of personality is central to any kind of politics in India. Modi is relatively tame compared to the complete deification of members of the Gandhi family and certain state leaders. The reason Modi is highlighted is because he is perceived to be on the wrong side of center, does not know how to do it in a "classy" way and that his predecessor (Manmohan) was specifically installed as a quiet face with no power, personality or political support.

I have always found that amusing. What a god complex that guy has. But hey if it works it works.

by vadfa 5y ago

I have always found that amusing. What a god complex that guy has. But hey if it works it works.

bwb 5y ago

It doesn't work so well for muslims in India... https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/21/india-muslims-deported-terrified-citizenship-amendment-act-caa/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/21/india-muslims-deported-... https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2021/country-chapters/india https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2021/country-chapters/india

samarthr1 5y ago
I think you may find that when illegal migrants get deported, the security of the nation improves... I live in Hyderabad, the place where the Dilsukhnagar blasts happened. Don't remember hearing of any major jihadist attacks on the past seven years or so... Success of a government no?
- bwb 5y ago
  They are not illegal migrants, they are people who live there and don't have paperwork and are being pushed out by a Hindu nationalist led government. If your definition of government success is a lack of terrorist attacks which are already insanely rare I fear for democracy wherever you live. People often trade security for freedom and find out the result of that decision far too late in the process.
vadfa 5y ago
One has to start wondering why things don't work so well for Muslims anywhere in the world.
- bwb 5y ago
  That is a very broad statement, what do you mean? In India specifically they are a religious minority so there are some very troubling things happening by what looks to be a growing Hindu nationalist state that is tearing down a multi-religious and multi-cultural democracy.
  - sinyug 5y ago
    > Hindu nationalist state that is tearing down a multi-religious and multi-cultural democracy. India is "multi-religious" and "multi-cultural" because the Hindus are a peaceful people. They have rarely invaded foreign lands. Instead, they have accepted people from other religions as well as those who fled the persecutions at the hands of followers of Abrahamic religions and let them construct their places of worship. You won't find a single Hindu temple in Mecca or Medina or Vatican City but you will find a million mosques and churches across India including in the holiest sites of Hinduism. But no good deed goes unpunished. And so the millennia-long persecution of Hindus, their traditions and their religion continues in their own lands.[1][2] There is another component to this Hinduphobia which is anti-semitic at the same time, the Islamic eschatological prophecy of Ghazwa-e-Hind[3][4][5], wherein it is believed that an Army of Islam will start from Jerusalem in Palestine (which is, of course, under the illegal occupation of Israel), march upon and conquer Rome (Christianity). Once that is accomplished, a second Army will invade and conquer India, plunder its riches and drag its kings/leaders in chains to the Levant/Damascus. But this will only occur when the city where the Al-Aqsa Mosque is located is again under Islamic rule. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Bangladesh_communal_violence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Bangladesh_communal_viole... [3] What is Ghazwa-e-Hind? Exposing the evil doctrine to eliminate Hindus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jNBgRd5pCg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jNBgRd5pCg) [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ghazwa-e-Hind&oldid=850331893 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ghazwa-e-Hind&old... [5] Ghazwa Al Hind/Pakistan, India and Kashmir, WW3 - Asrar Rashid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdgMTKHswIw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdgMTKHswIw)
    - bwb 5y ago
      What is your point with this? That because other religions are bad, Hinduism should shift to that model? :) I hope not, but I am not clear on what you mean here...
- gremloni 5y ago
  I used to think the same way until I saw the value in having a martial culture. There’s something about a people that don’t bow their heads.
screye 5y ago
I dont see why it is wrong to be deported if you illegally entered the country. Some may argue that it specifically deports muslims instead of Hindus. However, Hindus are liteally being lynched in each of the neighboring muslim majority countries (Pakistan, Bangladesh). It makes sense that India serves as the primary country to accept hindu refugees. The Indian refugee program also protects blaspheming muslims who have fatwas against them due ot pointing out backwards atiitutes in the religion. On the contrary, average Bangladeshi muslims have neither economic (Bangladesh is marginally richer) nor societal (Bangladesh is a religious ethnostate for bengalis) reason to immigrate or seek refuge. Thus, India aims to correctly deport them back to their nation. It is incredibly irritating to see people signal, as if the moral worth of immigration is determined and as if immigration is a good in and of itself. Bengal is among Indias most deteriorated states since its golden years as the british center of operations. Statistically, the influx of immigrats certainly has not helped.
- bwb 5y ago
  They didn't enter illegally, please read up on the issue and this article as the countries didn't have borders until after independence so this has and many times this is because they don't have paperwork or proof even if they are from the region. It is an attempt by the government to remove poor Muslim populations from India and blatant religious persecution. The current government in India is going from a democracy to a Hindu nationalist state.
  - screye 5y ago
    > countries didn't have borders until after independence This only applies to anyone who entered after 1971, by when the borders were well established. > attempt by the government to remove poor Muslim populations from India and blatant religious persecution That is the allegation from the opposition. The current government denies that and only anyone who entered illegally after 1971 (in accordance with the assam accords) would not be granted full citizenship. It is hilarious that you consider this religious persecution, when the accusers themselves (The INC) were the ones that came up with this bell in the first place for Assam. The act also does not allocate any special funding to deportation. This means that while some groups would have gotten citizenship, others would have remained just as illegal as they were before this. There was a lot of misinformation around the act, but the idea that the entire muslim population without documentation would be deported was not just overblown, it was straight up lying. Western establishment media loves to jump to conclusions on something that there was no indication would happen, and have continued attacking a strawman that has never existed. > The current government in India is going from a democracy to a Hindu nationalist state. There is zero indication that this is the case. The Modi Govt. is trying to actively privatize India and that goes actively against the RSS's isolationist ideals. This Govt. is giving opportunities to lower castes that the Congress would never even let stand among them. The party is not nepotistic and rewards grassroots merit instead of the monarchy that India has seen with the Gandhi family for 60 years. If anything, India is far more democratic today than ever. As for the political power of Muslims, there is a huge caste issue within there that is not addressed at all. The majority of muslims in power are those that trace their roots to upper castes or timurid/persian/afghan invaders. They refer to themselves as Ashraf, and adopt a noticeably non-indic identity. They constitute 15% of all muslims in India, but control the vast vast majority of institutional power for muslims. On the other hand, the common folk who converted, also referred to as Pasmanda get zero representation despite constituting 85% of the population. [1] [2] [3] Historically, the Congress has loved to give a lot of power to Ashraf Muslims. Modi has stopped giving them the time of day. That is true. IMO, it reflects the last cry of an old elite who have realized that there will be no more free lunch. At the grass roots, Modi has actually increased funding towards poor muslims [4] and has maintained every special accomodation given to them throughout his term. The CAA would have given much needed protections to hindu minorities across the border that are being mercilessly slaughtered by muslim fundamentalists that are far more radical than any form of Hindu fundamentalism that exists today. [5] [6] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8_6ryRZcU0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8_6ryRZcU0 [2] https://theprint.in/opinion/indias-muslim-community-under-a-churn-85-backward-pasmandas-up-against-15-ashrafs/234599/ https://theprint.in/opinion/indias-muslim-community-under-a-... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among_South_Asian_Muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among_South_Asian... [4] https://theprint.in/india/more-muslims-govt-scholarships-modi-govt-congress-upa/308154/ https://theprint.in/india/more-muslims-govt-scholarships-mod... [5] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/mob-burns-down-20-hindu-homes-in-bangladeshs-rangpur-report/articleshow/87096307.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/mob-bur... [6] https://indianexpress.com/article/india/durga-puja-procession-car-accident-16-critical-7574142/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/durga-puja-processio...

screye 5y ago

Cult of personality is central to any kind of politics in India. Modi is relatively tame compared to the complete deification of members of the Gandhi family and certain state leaders. The reason Modi is highlighted is because he is perceived to be on the wrong side of center, does not know how to do it in a "classy" way and that his predecessor (Manmohan) was specifically installed as a quiet face with no power, personality or political support.