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Brave's operation is all the more impressive when you consider that Mozilla gets $500M every year from Google. I would be surprised if Brave has invested half o

Brave's operation is all the more impressive when you consider that Mozilla gets $500M every year from Google. I would be surprised if Brave has invested half of that in total over the last several years.

reducesuffering 5y ago
Brave’s total funding has been $42mm. Mozilla burning $500m/yr to accomplish practically nothing is what you get when you push out the technical CEO who is an HN regular, and instead have a lawyer milking it as a resume checkbox. Firefox is losing market share and has no plan B from Google’s generosity. It’s looking inevitable that Google will turn off funding once FF declines a few more years market share. Then it’s Google, Microsoft, Apple as main browsers. SEC has already given the ok for three major players in a market a la T Mobile / Sprint merger.
- KennyBlanken 5y ago
  You're comparing apples to an apple orchards. Mozilla produces browser, email client, and calendaring apps (among other things.) Mozilla's nonprofit arm engages in tech advocacy and betterment work, including sponsoring fellowships (looks to be about thirty this year) and innovation awards. The work they fund covers a mind-bogglingly vast range of topics in the humans-and-tech area: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/what-we-do/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/what-we-do/ Brave is a browser run by a guy who has done just about every slimy thing he can think of to make money, including donation scamming and affiliate-code insertion.
  - Gargyle 5y ago
    Never heard of any substantial thing there. Most "reports" state obvious things. Never seen anything but vaporware beyond Firefox. Thunderbird does their own thing now. Seamonkey is dead.
  - rglullis 5y ago
    Both of your accusations of "slimy things done to make money" fail to pass Hanlon's razor. They can be easily attributed to incompetence and even if malicious they would not be that profitable to begin with. Re: Mozilla's "work". What is the point of being so protective of the "apple orchard" and having justification for all the money and resources that it spends, if the results are completely worthless? What is the point of spending HALF A BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR, and get a web that is increasingly dominated by Big Tech and surveillance capitalism? Who cares about "innovation awards" if all the products they have still depend on the company that exploits consumers and consumer data? I don't want to look at Mozilla and think "oh, but look at all the nice things they are doing". "Niceness" is overrated. We need something that can actually solve the problem. Mozilla is not doing ANY of that, and its CEO is still taking $3M/year home. That is not just slimy, it is diabolical.

reducesuffering 5y ago

Brave’s total funding has been $42mm. Mozilla burning $500m/yr to accomplish practically nothing is what you get when you push out the technical CEO who is an HN regular, and instead have a lawyer milking it as a resume checkbox. Firefox is losing market share and has no plan B from Google’s generosity. It’s looking inevitable that Google will turn off funding once FF declines a few more years market share. Then it’s Google, Microsoft, Apple as main browsers. SEC has already given the ok for three major players in a market a la T Mobile / Sprint merger.

KennyBlanken 5y ago
You're comparing apples to an apple orchards. Mozilla produces browser, email client, and calendaring apps (among other things.) Mozilla's nonprofit arm engages in tech advocacy and betterment work, including sponsoring fellowships (looks to be about thirty this year) and innovation awards. The work they fund covers a mind-bogglingly vast range of topics in the humans-and-tech area: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/what-we-do/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/what-we-do/ Brave is a browser run by a guy who has done just about every slimy thing he can think of to make money, including donation scamming and affiliate-code insertion.
- Gargyle 5y ago
  Never heard of any substantial thing there. Most "reports" state obvious things. Never seen anything but vaporware beyond Firefox. Thunderbird does their own thing now. Seamonkey is dead.
- rglullis 5y ago
  Both of your accusations of "slimy things done to make money" fail to pass Hanlon's razor. They can be easily attributed to incompetence and even if malicious they would not be that profitable to begin with. Re: Mozilla's "work". What is the point of being so protective of the "apple orchard" and having justification for all the money and resources that it spends, if the results are completely worthless? What is the point of spending HALF A BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR, and get a web that is increasingly dominated by Big Tech and surveillance capitalism? Who cares about "innovation awards" if all the products they have still depend on the company that exploits consumers and consumer data? I don't want to look at Mozilla and think "oh, but look at all the nice things they are doing". "Niceness" is overrated. We need something that can actually solve the problem. Mozilla is not doing ANY of that, and its CEO is still taking $3M/year home. That is not just slimy, it is diabolical.