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Android to Get Its Own App Market

15 points by ryanwaggoner 18y ago

mattmaroon 18y ago
Ooooooooooooooobviously.
- tdavis 18y ago
  I would have gone with, "Like, well, duh."
  - maxklein 18y ago
    I on the other hand, would have been like, "Whatevaaar...."
martythemaniak 18y ago
Wait, you mean developers will be able to write apps that take full advantage of the OS through background process and system hooks, then distribute them without paying for keys or being vetted by a capricious bureaucrat?! AND they'll give users a choice as to what to do with their own phones?! Quelle Horreur! I've always maintained that Apple's iPhone restrictions are bullshit political decisions and have nothing to do with the protecting users from viruses and malicious apps. IF Jobs and his defenders are correct, then surely Android will succumb to horrible attacks, viruses, scamware etc. Well, the handset is shipping soon, so I definitely look forward to proving (nearly) everyone wrong :)
- tstegart 18y ago
  What will you do if the carrier won't let you run all these nice programs?
  - martythemaniak 18y ago
    Capitalism, dude. Carriers don't control apps on smartphones (BB, WinMo etc) the way they control apps on feature phones. Were a carrier to do it, it would place them at a HUGE disadvantage against all other carriers that have Android devices. In other words, not gonna happen.
    - tstegart 18y ago
      They don't control the apps, but they control their networks. Your theory only works if money can be made even when these fancy applications are being used. If a carrier loses money when people start using these apps (for example, maybe a VIOP app) on their smartphones, there is no incentive to be competitive. They'll just get rid of you as a customer, and no other carrier will want you or your smartphone on their network. So getting rid of you would actually be an advantage. Now, common public perception is that carriers actually make a ton of money and that they could allow these apps and still make money (I think this is true, actually). But that doesn't mean that carrier concerns won't play into the equation. In all seriousness, Steve Jobs didn't make up those categories Apple wouldn't allow in the App Store out of thin air, they are all carrier concerns. So why would a carrier want to allow massive amounts of Android phones using massive amounts of data, not paying for big voice plans and slowing down their network? I think a better reality is that either the carriers will block your fancy app on their network, or they'll charge you extra for all the data and whatnot those fancy apps will use. So yes, you can develop a more open app, but using it is another matter.
      - mattmaroon 18y ago
        I don't think carriers will be able to do much about it. They'll be in much the same position ISPs are in now. They might limit the amount of data you can use for a given service plan per month. It will be very hard for them to discriminate between a VOIP app and any other though. We've already seen the cat and mouse shenanigans that go on with ISPs and now even American Airlines. The ISPs aren't winning. You cannot stop a bunch of smart, determined people from doing what they want with an open platform. Developers like the ones who read this site are just too much. Regardless, carriers clearly realize that data is the future of their industry. There is no growth left in voice services. They're moving in that direction full-force. They want this.
- stcredzero 18y ago
  The background processes bugaboo is FUD. It can be solved by virtualization. By using a VM, you can ensure that the background processes never exceed a certain fraction of system resources. (Like 5% or 10%) Just have the OS require that background processes be specially registered with the system, then run them on their own VM. Likewise, the technology exists to sandbox apps.
qhoxie 18y ago
I don't understand all the flak about Google copying Apple by opening an app store. The idea of a central repository for the applications isn't a new one, and it is hardly unintuitive or creative.
- thomasmallen 18y ago
  No, Apple obviously invented that, as they did the MP3 player. Now please mind my reality distortion field.
  - briansmith 18y ago
    Every Nokia phone I've ever had shipped with an application like the App Store called Nokia Catalog. They just didn't market it well.
  - netcan 18y ago
    And GUI
    - thomasmallen 18y ago
      That's "Finder" to you.
JeremyChase 18y ago
It seems like the startup community is overly excited about mobile development. After I saw TapTapTap release their sales figures I was unimpressed: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/13/appstore-developer-taptaptap-publishes-sales-figures/ http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/13/appstore-developer-tapt... TapTapTap got 50k in profits in the first month. Granted that seems pretty good on the surface, but isn't taptaptap one of the biggest sellers? I don't think the mobile development market is going to be big enough for everyone that is trying to get into it. I also worry that the Android market is going to be vastly smaller than the iPhone's.
redorb 18y ago
people are scared of this thing having viruses ... because the open source and free market of the app market... just saying, linux.

15 points by ryanwaggoner 18y ago

mattmaroon 18y ago

Ooooooooooooooobviously.

tdavis 18y ago
I would have gone with, "Like, well, duh."
- maxklein 18y ago
  I on the other hand, would have been like, "Whatevaaar...."

martythemaniak 18y ago

Wait, you mean developers will be able to write apps that take full advantage of the OS through background process and system hooks, then distribute them without paying for keys or being vetted by a capricious bureaucrat?! AND they'll give users a choice as to what to do with their own phones?! Quelle Horreur! I've always maintained that Apple's iPhone restrictions are bullshit political decisions and have nothing to do with the protecting users from viruses and malicious apps. IF Jobs and his defenders are correct, then surely Android will succumb to horrible attacks, viruses, scamware etc. Well, the handset is shipping soon, so I definitely look forward to proving (nearly) everyone wrong :)

tstegart 18y ago
What will you do if the carrier won't let you run all these nice programs?
- martythemaniak 18y ago
  Capitalism, dude. Carriers don't control apps on smartphones (BB, WinMo etc) the way they control apps on feature phones. Were a carrier to do it, it would place them at a HUGE disadvantage against all other carriers that have Android devices. In other words, not gonna happen.
  - tstegart 18y ago
    They don't control the apps, but they control their networks. Your theory only works if money can be made even when these fancy applications are being used. If a carrier loses money when people start using these apps (for example, maybe a VIOP app) on their smartphones, there is no incentive to be competitive. They'll just get rid of you as a customer, and no other carrier will want you or your smartphone on their network. So getting rid of you would actually be an advantage. Now, common public perception is that carriers actually make a ton of money and that they could allow these apps and still make money (I think this is true, actually). But that doesn't mean that carrier concerns won't play into the equation. In all seriousness, Steve Jobs didn't make up those categories Apple wouldn't allow in the App Store out of thin air, they are all carrier concerns. So why would a carrier want to allow massive amounts of Android phones using massive amounts of data, not paying for big voice plans and slowing down their network? I think a better reality is that either the carriers will block your fancy app on their network, or they'll charge you extra for all the data and whatnot those fancy apps will use. So yes, you can develop a more open app, but using it is another matter.
    - mattmaroon 18y ago
      I don't think carriers will be able to do much about it. They'll be in much the same position ISPs are in now. They might limit the amount of data you can use for a given service plan per month. It will be very hard for them to discriminate between a VOIP app and any other though. We've already seen the cat and mouse shenanigans that go on with ISPs and now even American Airlines. The ISPs aren't winning. You cannot stop a bunch of smart, determined people from doing what they want with an open platform. Developers like the ones who read this site are just too much. Regardless, carriers clearly realize that data is the future of their industry. There is no growth left in voice services. They're moving in that direction full-force. They want this.
stcredzero 18y ago
The background processes bugaboo is FUD. It can be solved by virtualization. By using a VM, you can ensure that the background processes never exceed a certain fraction of system resources. (Like 5% or 10%) Just have the OS require that background processes be specially registered with the system, then run them on their own VM. Likewise, the technology exists to sandbox apps.

qhoxie 18y ago

I don't understand all the flak about Google copying Apple by opening an app store. The idea of a central repository for the applications isn't a new one, and it is hardly unintuitive or creative.

thomasmallen 18y ago
No, Apple obviously invented that, as they did the MP3 player. Now please mind my reality distortion field.
- briansmith 18y ago
  Every Nokia phone I've ever had shipped with an application like the App Store called Nokia Catalog. They just didn't market it well.
- netcan 18y ago
  And GUI
  - thomasmallen 18y ago
    That's "Finder" to you.

JeremyChase 18y ago

It seems like the startup community is overly excited about mobile development. After I saw TapTapTap release their sales figures I was unimpressed: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/13/appstore-developer-taptaptap-publishes-sales-figures/ http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/13/appstore-developer-tapt... TapTapTap got 50k in profits in the first month. Granted that seems pretty good on the surface, but isn't taptaptap one of the biggest sellers? I don't think the mobile development market is going to be big enough for everyone that is trying to get into it. I also worry that the Android market is going to be vastly smaller than the iPhone's.

redorb 18y ago

people are scared of this thing having viruses ... because the open source and free market of the app market... just saying, linux.