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Covid-19 Vaccines and the Menstrual Cycle

27 points by isabelc 5y ago

iosono88 5y ago
The CDC has recommended and encouraged pregnant women to get the vaccine how can they make these recommendations while studies like this haven't been done?
encryptluks2 5y ago
I've already seen how the PR campaign will be ran with the news nonstop pushing vaccines with stories like... If I die from the vaccine I will be grateful to help save lives, or I had a bad reaction and nearly died but I would do it again to save lives. Remove immunity from the vaccine manufacturers already if they are so safe and you want more people to get vaccinated.
Factorium 5y ago
Shouldn't this kind of research have been carried out before billions of people were vaccinated? Is it ethical to enforce vaccinations (via mandate) with these matters unresolved?
- hanselot 5y ago
  The most prudent question to me has always been. Why is nobody talking about Marek's disease?
- Andys 5y ago
  > Increased stress, changes in weight and exercise Sounds like they've already decided what the findings are going to point at.
- flarg 5y ago
  Better than dying
  - s9w 5y ago
    Among the 1% or so of the population that even ever gets a "positive test" in their lifetime, a microscopic amount of people who even still does menstruate (age-wise) has any trouble with it at all. Yet this wild west injection is forced upon all of them.
  - Factorium 5y ago
    If you're a healthy 35 year old White woman in the UK, your risk of COVID death is 1 in 166,000: https://qcovid.org/Calculation https://qcovid.org/Calculation And hospitalisation 1 in 4484. By contrast your risk of death from anything at that age and gender is 1 in 1106 annually: http://www.bandolier.org.uk/booth/Risk/dyingage.html http://www.bandolier.org.uk/booth/Risk/dyingage.html COVID risks are extremely concentrated to the obese, unhealthy, and elderly. It doesn't make sense to vaccinate the entirety of the population especially with a leaky vaccine.
    - Uberphallus 5y ago
      The healthy 35yo might not have a bed for something unrelated thanks to freedom fighters with poor understanding of statistics.
- deleted 5y ago
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- Uberphallus 5y ago
  > Shouldn't this kind of research have been carried out before billions of people were vaccinated? It's unfeasible to carry out research on every little aspect of any medication, except for the very long term. That's why drugs get approved all the time, yet trials and studies continue for decades to account for long term and extremely rare side effects. That said, literally anything can change the menstrual cycle (flu, stress, changes in nutrition or exercise levels), and especially given that menstrual symptoms correlate more with inflammatory markers than with actual hormone levels [0], it's to be expected that treatments that elicit an inflammatory response might have an effect in menstrual symptoms. It's good this research is done, but I doubt these changes come up as a surprise to any physician. > Is it ethical to enforce vaccinations (via mandate) with these matters unresolved? I think so, unless you consider to keep enforcing lockdowns, travel restrictions, or a Children-of-the-corn-light type of scenario to be ethically better. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16403011/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16403011/
  - marrs 5y ago
    In your opinion, what should the punishment be for not complying?
    - Uberphallus 5y ago
      There shouldn't be a punishment. In the European countries I'm familiar with, those people are now on unemployment benefits and their contract temporarily suspended. As a tax payer, I'm fine with that. I don't want unvaccinated health workers to get in close contact with my elderly mother, thank you.
      - forgingahead 5y ago
        Why though? Aren't the viral loads similar between the unvaccinated and fully vaccinated, and so the only benefit to being fully vaccinated is a private one (you are less susceptible to severe illness, though not totally immune)?
        5y ago
- Arnt 5y ago
  These are the options: 1. Vaccinate LOTS of people. 2. Accept that the hospitals are full of covid patients, so people who break a leg can't get a bed. Option 2 isn't very desirable. It only took months to find some vaccines that make option 1 clearly better than option 2. (Some other vaccines failed, but you don't hear about those.)
  - forgingahead 5y ago
    Option 1 isn't viable though - see the UK, Israel, and Singapore for the latest news. They are highly vaccinated, 85% of total population (meaning over 90%+ of the eligible), and the hospital systems are still straining to capacity, resulting in more restrictions and the current scramble for boosters. I think we have to face the reality that vaccines won't stop this, and the only way out is after this burns through everyone. Vaccines can help reduce personal impact on severity but doesn't seem to be helping the hospital load problem.
    - Arnt 5y ago
      It may not be viable in theory, but I see it working in practice here. I live in Munich, Germany. The load on hospitals decreased as vaccination proceeded. Right now, the areas southeast of the city have the highest 7-day incidence in Germany, and even there can still grow by a factor of 4-5 before the hospitals are troubled.
  - a0-prw 5y ago
    Option 3. Improve the hospital system to have greater capacity.
    - dzhiurgis 5y ago
      Nursing degree takes 3 years minimum...
      - a0-prw 5y ago
        Better start today, then.
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CraftingLinks 5y ago
The intelligence level of comments here is depressing.
- rc2634 5y ago
  Are you basing that on if they agree or disagree with forced vaccination? If disagreeing with forced vaccination is low intelligence, then I have Forest Gump level of intelligence.
- yoloyoloyoloa 5y ago
  paid shill

27 points by isabelc 5y ago

The CDC has recommended and encouraged pregnant women to get the vaccine how can they make these recommendations while studies like this haven't been done?

encryptluks2 5y ago

I've already seen how the PR campaign will be ran with the news nonstop pushing vaccines with stories like... If I die from the vaccine I will be grateful to help save lives, or I had a bad reaction and nearly died but I would do it again to save lives. Remove immunity from the vaccine manufacturers already if they are so safe and you want more people to get vaccinated.

Factorium 5y ago

Shouldn't this kind of research have been carried out before billions of people were vaccinated? Is it ethical to enforce vaccinations (via mandate) with these matters unresolved?

hanselot 5y ago
The most prudent question to me has always been. Why is nobody talking about Marek's disease?
Andys 5y ago
> Increased stress, changes in weight and exercise Sounds like they've already decided what the findings are going to point at.
flarg 5y ago
Better than dying
- s9w 5y ago
  Among the 1% or so of the population that even ever gets a "positive test" in their lifetime, a microscopic amount of people who even still does menstruate (age-wise) has any trouble with it at all. Yet this wild west injection is forced upon all of them.
- Factorium 5y ago
  If you're a healthy 35 year old White woman in the UK, your risk of COVID death is 1 in 166,000: https://qcovid.org/Calculation https://qcovid.org/Calculation And hospitalisation 1 in 4484. By contrast your risk of death from anything at that age and gender is 1 in 1106 annually: http://www.bandolier.org.uk/booth/Risk/dyingage.html http://www.bandolier.org.uk/booth/Risk/dyingage.html COVID risks are extremely concentrated to the obese, unhealthy, and elderly. It doesn't make sense to vaccinate the entirety of the population especially with a leaky vaccine.
  - Uberphallus 5y ago
    The healthy 35yo might not have a bed for something unrelated thanks to freedom fighters with poor understanding of statistics.
deleted 5y ago
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Uberphallus 5y ago
> Shouldn't this kind of research have been carried out before billions of people were vaccinated? It's unfeasible to carry out research on every little aspect of any medication, except for the very long term. That's why drugs get approved all the time, yet trials and studies continue for decades to account for long term and extremely rare side effects. That said, literally anything can change the menstrual cycle (flu, stress, changes in nutrition or exercise levels), and especially given that menstrual symptoms correlate more with inflammatory markers than with actual hormone levels [0], it's to be expected that treatments that elicit an inflammatory response might have an effect in menstrual symptoms. It's good this research is done, but I doubt these changes come up as a surprise to any physician. > Is it ethical to enforce vaccinations (via mandate) with these matters unresolved? I think so, unless you consider to keep enforcing lockdowns, travel restrictions, or a Children-of-the-corn-light type of scenario to be ethically better. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16403011/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16403011/
- marrs 5y ago
  In your opinion, what should the punishment be for not complying?
  - Uberphallus 5y ago
    There shouldn't be a punishment. In the European countries I'm familiar with, those people are now on unemployment benefits and their contract temporarily suspended. As a tax payer, I'm fine with that. I don't want unvaccinated health workers to get in close contact with my elderly mother, thank you.
    - forgingahead 5y ago
      Why though? Aren't the viral loads similar between the unvaccinated and fully vaccinated, and so the only benefit to being fully vaccinated is a private one (you are less susceptible to severe illness, though not totally immune)?
      - 5y ago
Arnt 5y ago
These are the options: 1. Vaccinate LOTS of people. 2. Accept that the hospitals are full of covid patients, so people who break a leg can't get a bed. Option 2 isn't very desirable. It only took months to find some vaccines that make option 1 clearly better than option 2. (Some other vaccines failed, but you don't hear about those.)
- forgingahead 5y ago
  Option 1 isn't viable though - see the UK, Israel, and Singapore for the latest news. They are highly vaccinated, 85% of total population (meaning over 90%+ of the eligible), and the hospital systems are still straining to capacity, resulting in more restrictions and the current scramble for boosters. I think we have to face the reality that vaccines won't stop this, and the only way out is after this burns through everyone. Vaccines can help reduce personal impact on severity but doesn't seem to be helping the hospital load problem.
  - Arnt 5y ago
    It may not be viable in theory, but I see it working in practice here. I live in Munich, Germany. The load on hospitals decreased as vaccination proceeded. Right now, the areas southeast of the city have the highest 7-day incidence in Germany, and even there can still grow by a factor of 4-5 before the hospitals are troubled.
- a0-prw 5y ago
  Option 3. Improve the hospital system to have greater capacity.
  - dzhiurgis 5y ago
    Nursing degree takes 3 years minimum...
    - a0-prw 5y ago
      Better start today, then.

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CraftingLinks 5y ago

The intelligence level of comments here is depressing.

rc2634 5y ago
Are you basing that on if they agree or disagree with forced vaccination? If disagreeing with forced vaccination is low intelligence, then I have Forest Gump level of intelligence.
yoloyoloyoloa 5y ago
paid shill