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I think a lot of pro cannabis people are out of balance with viewing the negative side effects. It's a drug and has side-effects. It's much safer than tobacco a

I think a lot of pro cannabis people are out of balance with viewing the negative side effects. It's a drug and has side-effects. It's much safer than tobacco and alcohol but it certainly has side effects including a strong psychological addiction potential.

medo-bear 5y ago
i don't understand this cannabis-is-safer-than-alcohol myth. for example, i know people that have an extremely low mental tolerance for cannabis while functioning completely normal on a bottle of beer a day. also, i think that it is fairly well known that cannabis has a worrying correlation with schizophrenia [0] [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7442038/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7442038/
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- netizen-936824 5y ago
  Eating cannabis won't give you cancer, drinking alcohol likely will. One of these things has metabolites that actively damages DNA and one does not
  - medo-bear 5y ago
    a glass of red a night is most likely not going to give you cancer or damage your DNA. a joint a night on the other have just might (depending on your predisposition) have an extremely negative effect besides given how long we have been consuming alcohol throughout our history, i think its effects are largely understood. we do not know this about cannabis
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    - netizen-936824 5y ago
      How long do you think humans have been consuming cannabis? Arguably longer than alcohol, not that it matters anyhow. The restrictions are arbitrary, not to mention being habituated to a nightly GABA agonist (alcohol) has just as many negative implications as nightly cannabinoids. The cannabinoids just won't five you cancer on top of it
    - dumbfoundded 5y ago
      It's like you don't even know google exists. You just spout one false fact after another. Cannabis is one of the oldest cultivated plants in human history (1). It was smoked for pleasure and religiously long before Christianity became a religion. I wonder, do you dilute your glass of red wine before drinking it? The ancient Greeks diluted their wine with 25% wine and 75% water. They also viewed anyone who didn't as a barbarian and drunkard (2). 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cannabis#:~:text=Cannabis%20has%20an%20ancient%20history,previous%20historical%20reports%20by%20Herodotus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cannabis#:~:text=Ca.... 2) https://www.worldhistory.org/article/944/wine-in-the-ancient-mediterranean/ https://www.worldhistory.org/article/944/wine-in-the-ancient...
    - atatatat 5y ago
      So vaporize it. Not "vape", with juice. Heat, and inhale.
      - netizen-936824 5y ago
        I'm specifically focusing on the pharmacology of the psychoactive substances rather than the method used to consume them. No matter the method of administration, there are still risks and side effects. Sidestepping the discussion of smoking vs gaping allows us to focus on the action of the compounds themselves. We already know smoking is bad, we should not combust things and inhale the byproducts
        LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
        Yah, well. Then don't. Maybe plug the gaping hole with it. Rectal administration is a thing. (I've heard)
- dumbfoundded 5y ago
  It's not a myth and a few simple google with give you plenty of evidence. Here's a few: - Cancer - Weight gain (alcohol is more calorie dense than sugar) - Birth defects - Drunk driving: 10K deaths a year - Violence / sexual violence - Overdosing - Withdrawal can cause death - Did you know date rape drugs wouldn't work without alcohol? (2) It's only the combination with alcohol that causes the victim to pass out. If you actually look at how alcohol has an impact on the body, it's effectively a poison. It has no medical benefits and only consequences. The whole red wine thing has nothing to do with alcohol but some of the enzymes in red wine specifically. Just drink grape juice instead. I really don't care if you give yourself cancer. That's a personal decision but consumption of alcohol leads to so much crime and impact on others. Weed not so much. As a society, we've made a decision to tolerate it but it's still there. 1. https://drugabuse.com/blog/marijuana-vs-alcohol/ https://drugabuse.com/blog/marijuana-vs-alcohol/ 2. https://www.drugs.com/illicit/ghb.html https://www.drugs.com/illicit/ghb.html
agumonkey 5y ago
Maybe a blend of low psychoactive cannabinoids + some THC could become a better norm.
- dumbfoundded 5y ago
  I agree. It's going to get complicated though. There are hundreds of cannabinoids we're aware of with barely any scientific understanding of the effects. CBD, CBN, and CBG all started popping up in dispensaries in different combinations with THC. We still don't really fully understand what they do. There are also more potent versions of THC like THC-O (1) (1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THC-O-acetate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THC-O-acetate
  - agumonkey 5y ago
    Cannabinoids have been studied a bit already, not claiming we know everything about them but we're not in the blur either. And I was not thinking about THC derivatives, mostly non psychoactive (cbn/d/g).
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rpmisms 5y ago
We don't have a mature culture around cannabis usage. Alcohol has this benefit, and we have some social norms on how to enjoy it. A big one is the "don't drink before 5" adage. Norms like this for weed will develop in time, I'm sure.
- mettamage 5y ago
  We live in different bubbles. I certainly live in a social circle that has a mature view on cannabis. Perhaps it's Amsterdam. I smoke about 6 to 12 times per year, mostly THC/CBD (Dutch weed), sometimes CBD only (specifically, weed from Switzerland). Dutch weed: 3 to 5 puffs and I'm fine. Smoking half a joint or more is definitely overdosing it, feeling cold and uncontrollable tremors can occur. Swiss weed: I smoke half a joint.
- ModernMech 5y ago
  Yeah, wake and bake is a bad cultural norm for weed. Then again, smoking at 4:20 would mirror the "no day drinking" norm.
  - galcerte 5y ago
    I'm seeing the opposite quite often where I live, people who are quite a bit into weed usually end up needing to bake in order to sleep more comfortably.
    - eurasiantiger 5y ago
      Maybe they are having problems sleeping to begin with.
      - netizen-936824 5y ago
        Likely, but also cannabinoids can interfere with sleep. A regular user can experience night sweats when they do not have cannabinoids, depending on frequency of use
cyberpsybin 5y ago
Smoking cannabis 8 times a day in not being "pro" cannabis. Not wanting to get incarcerated for life for possession of few grams of a plant is "pro" cannabis.

medo-bear 5y ago

i don't understand this cannabis-is-safer-than-alcohol myth. for example, i know people that have an extremely low mental tolerance for cannabis while functioning completely normal on a bottle of beer a day. also, i think that it is fairly well known that cannabis has a worrying correlation with schizophrenia [0] [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7442038/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7442038/

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netizen-936824 5y ago
Eating cannabis won't give you cancer, drinking alcohol likely will. One of these things has metabolites that actively damages DNA and one does not
- medo-bear 5y ago
  a glass of red a night is most likely not going to give you cancer or damage your DNA. a joint a night on the other have just might (depending on your predisposition) have an extremely negative effect besides given how long we have been consuming alcohol throughout our history, i think its effects are largely understood. we do not know this about cannabis
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  - netizen-936824 5y ago
    How long do you think humans have been consuming cannabis? Arguably longer than alcohol, not that it matters anyhow. The restrictions are arbitrary, not to mention being habituated to a nightly GABA agonist (alcohol) has just as many negative implications as nightly cannabinoids. The cannabinoids just won't five you cancer on top of it
  - dumbfoundded 5y ago
    It's like you don't even know google exists. You just spout one false fact after another. Cannabis is one of the oldest cultivated plants in human history (1). It was smoked for pleasure and religiously long before Christianity became a religion. I wonder, do you dilute your glass of red wine before drinking it? The ancient Greeks diluted their wine with 25% wine and 75% water. They also viewed anyone who didn't as a barbarian and drunkard (2). 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cannabis#:~:text=Cannabis%20has%20an%20ancient%20history,previous%20historical%20reports%20by%20Herodotus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cannabis#:~:text=Ca.... 2) https://www.worldhistory.org/article/944/wine-in-the-ancient-mediterranean/ https://www.worldhistory.org/article/944/wine-in-the-ancient...
  - atatatat 5y ago
    So vaporize it. Not "vape", with juice. Heat, and inhale.
    - netizen-936824 5y ago
      I'm specifically focusing on the pharmacology of the psychoactive substances rather than the method used to consume them. No matter the method of administration, there are still risks and side effects. Sidestepping the discussion of smoking vs gaping allows us to focus on the action of the compounds themselves. We already know smoking is bad, we should not combust things and inhale the byproducts
      - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
        Yah, well. Then don't. Maybe plug the gaping hole with it. Rectal administration is a thing. (I've heard)
dumbfoundded 5y ago
It's not a myth and a few simple google with give you plenty of evidence. Here's a few: - Cancer - Weight gain (alcohol is more calorie dense than sugar) - Birth defects - Drunk driving: 10K deaths a year - Violence / sexual violence - Overdosing - Withdrawal can cause death - Did you know date rape drugs wouldn't work without alcohol? (2) It's only the combination with alcohol that causes the victim to pass out. If you actually look at how alcohol has an impact on the body, it's effectively a poison. It has no medical benefits and only consequences. The whole red wine thing has nothing to do with alcohol but some of the enzymes in red wine specifically. Just drink grape juice instead. I really don't care if you give yourself cancer. That's a personal decision but consumption of alcohol leads to so much crime and impact on others. Weed not so much. As a society, we've made a decision to tolerate it but it's still there. 1. https://drugabuse.com/blog/marijuana-vs-alcohol/ https://drugabuse.com/blog/marijuana-vs-alcohol/ 2. https://www.drugs.com/illicit/ghb.html https://www.drugs.com/illicit/ghb.html

agumonkey 5y ago

Maybe a blend of low psychoactive cannabinoids + some THC could become a better norm.

dumbfoundded 5y ago
I agree. It's going to get complicated though. There are hundreds of cannabinoids we're aware of with barely any scientific understanding of the effects. CBD, CBN, and CBG all started popping up in dispensaries in different combinations with THC. We still don't really fully understand what they do. There are also more potent versions of THC like THC-O (1) (1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THC-O-acetate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THC-O-acetate
- agumonkey 5y ago
  Cannabinoids have been studied a bit already, not claiming we know everything about them but we're not in the blur either. And I was not thinking about THC derivatives, mostly non psychoactive (cbn/d/g).
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rpmisms 5y ago

We don't have a mature culture around cannabis usage. Alcohol has this benefit, and we have some social norms on how to enjoy it. A big one is the "don't drink before 5" adage. Norms like this for weed will develop in time, I'm sure.

mettamage 5y ago
We live in different bubbles. I certainly live in a social circle that has a mature view on cannabis. Perhaps it's Amsterdam. I smoke about 6 to 12 times per year, mostly THC/CBD (Dutch weed), sometimes CBD only (specifically, weed from Switzerland). Dutch weed: 3 to 5 puffs and I'm fine. Smoking half a joint or more is definitely overdosing it, feeling cold and uncontrollable tremors can occur. Swiss weed: I smoke half a joint.
ModernMech 5y ago
Yeah, wake and bake is a bad cultural norm for weed. Then again, smoking at 4:20 would mirror the "no day drinking" norm.
- galcerte 5y ago
  I'm seeing the opposite quite often where I live, people who are quite a bit into weed usually end up needing to bake in order to sleep more comfortably.
  - eurasiantiger 5y ago
    Maybe they are having problems sleeping to begin with.
    - netizen-936824 5y ago
      Likely, but also cannabinoids can interfere with sleep. A regular user can experience night sweats when they do not have cannabinoids, depending on frequency of use

cyberpsybin 5y ago

Smoking cannabis 8 times a day in not being "pro" cannabis. Not wanting to get incarcerated for life for possession of few grams of a plant is "pro" cannabis.